Aside from my below bitching this years vibes was a wonderful special experience.
Every year i decorate my campsite with an Israeli flag, people know to look for it, and its an easy marker so me and those camping with me know what to look for. This year i also flew my flag from the municipality of Jerusalem.
Well apparently the folks who were camped next to me were offended by it. At the beginning of the weekend they were cool, i introduced myself we chatted.
Well by Saturday afternoon that had all changed, as my friends and I were chilling at the campsite, enjoying the days inebriation these folks decided to express their distaste by shouting loudly from their campsite "fuck Israel" and "free Palestine" and a few more slogans, i myself was in no head-space to go over and have an argument and wasn't in the mood for a shouting match. I walked away from my campsite for a while instead of being subjected to this, but it was shitty. I didn't expect this in boardie camping...
Seriously if you want to have a dialogue with me about something you disagree with, come talk to me, i can have a good conversation on any number of topics that i feel strongly about, but disagree with someone else over, there is what reasonable people can disagree over. In fact i had someone visit my campsite to mention they initially had a strong negative reaction over the flag (as she was Iranian by derivation) but we invited her over to sit and chill and hang and had a nice time.
I am a Zionist, i feel strongly about the state of Israel and the conflict with the Palestinians. This isn't the thread to have this conversation in but if you want to engage in real dialogue please contact me, if you just want to attack me and be hostile to me in a safe place though? keep it to yourself, and keep that shit out of my happy place and out of my boardie land and out of my vibes....
bad neighbors in boardieland...
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, Jul 24 2012 08:45 PM
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canadian, eh!
Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:54 PM
that is pretty crappy the way that your neighbors acted. they could have definitely been more respectful and mature.
just a thought though, not to stir up shit but just to point out that maybe seeing your jerusalem flag introduces a negative into what also happens to be someone else's happy place/boardieland/vibes, not just your happy place/boardieland/vibes.
just a thought though, not to stir up shit but just to point out that maybe seeing your jerusalem flag introduces a negative into what also happens to be someone else's happy place/boardieland/vibes, not just your happy place/boardieland/vibes.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:56 PM
that is pretty crappy the way that your neighbors acted. they could have definitely been more respectful and mature.
just a thought though, not to stir up shit but just to point out that maybe seeing your jerusalem flag introduces a negative into what also happens to be someone else's happy place/boardieland/vibes, not just your happy place/boardieland/vibes.
Well, in all honesty, seeing an Israeli flag did bring out a negative reaction in someone, she came over, and talked about it, we had a lovely convo, sat and chilled for a while and it was all smiles.
I have marked my campsite thusly for nearly ten years, and I invite the conversation it might bring, what i don't invite is aggressive douchebaggery, come and talk to me, don't shout shit at my campsite like assholes...
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:59 PM
Sorry you had to deal with this. Personally, I don't like to mix politics and music fests and the whole Israel debate is certainly political. You may have very strong feelings and arguments, but there are going to be those on the other side. I know your flag at camp is your tradition, but you are opening yourself up to those that are going to be less sympathetic to your ideals.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:02 PM
Sorry you had to deal with this. Personally, I don't like to mix politics and music fests and the whole Israel debate is certainly political. You may have very strong feelings and arguments, but there are going to be those on the other side. I know your flag at camp is your tradition, but you are opening yourself up to those that are going to be less sympathetic to your ideals.
I know, and I agree with you, this isn't about someone disagreeing with me, or about having a good debate, this was about people being aggressive asshats about it.
I welcome real dialogue, its important and constructive to talk to folks about issues that one disagrees with. i am not annoyed that someone would want to bring it up, i am pissed off at how it was approached, the nasty tone it took, and the timing....
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:02 PM
sorry you had to deal with this.
I was camped on the other side of you, saw the flag and didn't think anything of it really. I could see how it might invite controversy, but it seems you were just being taunted, and that's pretty shitty.
I was camped on the other side of you, saw the flag and didn't think anything of it really. I could see how it might invite controversy, but it seems you were just being taunted, and that's pretty shitty.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:05 PM
That is exactly it, this wasn't about a political issue, this was someboardies way of entertaining themselves at someone elses expense...I was camped on the other side of you, saw the flag and didn't think anything of it really. I could see how it might invite controversy, but it seems you were just being taunted, and that's pretty shitty.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:29 PM
Maybe you should build a large wall and some check points? Keep the haters out.
Seriously though, sorry about the dicks. They were probably in as compromised headspace as you though. Maybe they were only joking.
I went on a drunken tirade against homeopathy at one point. People lose their filters at festivals.
Seriously though, sorry about the dicks. They were probably in as compromised headspace as you though. Maybe they were only joking.
I went on a drunken tirade against homeopathy at one point. People lose their filters at festivals.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:44 PM
Anyone should be able to fly any flag at the Vibes, well except the Union Jack in Tabbooma's camp but thats another story, its your camp and your flag, fuck em'.. Next time call Tabbooma, he will be right there with the duct tape and wings 
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:46 PM
you got it tboom!Anyone should be able to fly any flag at the Vibes, well except the Union Jack in Tabbooma's camp but thats another story, its your camp and your flag, fuck em'.. Next time call Tabbooma, he will be right there with the duct tape and wings
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:53 PM
Motti, It was great to meet you, however briefly, this weekend!
In all honesty, when I pulled into boardie on Thursday and saw the flag, I had a moment of, "Whoa, there's a lighting rod!" Lotsa people aren't able to have balanced, civil conversations about the Israel/Palestine issue, so I'm saddened, but not surprised that you encountered some douchery over it.
Glad to read that you were able to have a civil, pleasant exchange with the woman who approached you. Gives one a little bit of hope.
In all honesty, when I pulled into boardie on Thursday and saw the flag, I had a moment of, "Whoa, there's a lighting rod!" Lotsa people aren't able to have balanced, civil conversations about the Israel/Palestine issue, so I'm saddened, but not surprised that you encountered some douchery over it.
Glad to read that you were able to have a civil, pleasant exchange with the woman who approached you. Gives one a little bit of hope.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:58 PM
just to have an Israeli flag hanging is not being political!!! - even if you had a political agenda in your mind...that flag could have meant nothing more than you were from Israel to any passers-by and if I had noticed your flag...my first thought would be those folks must be from Israel.
that is just piss-poor behavior (anti-Israel folks) from people who have nothing better to do at a festival than to cause infantile trouble
that is just piss-poor behavior (anti-Israel folks) from people who have nothing better to do at a festival than to cause infantile trouble
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:05 PM
While I wish you hadn't had to deal with any negativity, I have to agree with other folks who have mentioned that displaying a symbol that is related to the volatile and divided situation in the mid-east invites controversy, imoho.
As a boyfriend in the past pointed out to me when I was thinking of wearing my super-skimpy Carmen Miranda costume to a public event held in a park, it's good to be aware of the attention you are inviting by your (or your camp's) appearances.
As a boyfriend in the past pointed out to me when I was thinking of wearing my super-skimpy Carmen Miranda costume to a public event held in a park, it's good to be aware of the attention you are inviting by your (or your camp's) appearances.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:12 PM
How is speaking out against a country that has done what Israel has and continues to do the Palestinians, as well as threatening to nuke Iran causing "infantile trouble' exactly?just to have an Israeli flag hanging is not being political!!! - even if you had a political agenda in your mind...that flag could have meant nothing more than you were from Israel to any passers-by and if I had noticed your flag...my first thought would be those folks must be from Israel.
that is just piss-poor behavior (anti-Israel folks) from people who have nothing better to do at a festival than to cause infantile trouble
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:20 PM
Flying any flag, US, Palestinian, Israeli, English, French, Canadian, German, Polish, Turkish, Iranian,Rainbow, Republican, Democratic, Socialist, Anarachist, Jamaican should not invite douchebaggery... especially at VIbes, and even moreso in boardieland.
Shouting loudly and repetitively like that at Vibes at someone because someone is flying a flag is douchie, infantile and I'm sorry that happened motti.
Shouting loudly and repetitively like that at Vibes at someone because someone is flying a flag is douchie, infantile and I'm sorry that happened motti.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:23 PM
How is speaking out against a country that has done what Israel has and continues to do the Palestinians, as well as threatening to nuke Iran causing "infantile trouble' exactly?
Jack? I think the tactic is in question, not the argument they MAY have had. Motti even indicated he would have prolly engaged in civil discourse had it arose. This was not civil discourse. It was rude and disrespectful heckling.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:26 PM
Jack? I think the tactic is in question, not the argument they MAY have had. Motti even indicated he would have prolly engaged in civil discourse had it arose. This was not civil discourse. It was rude and disrespectful heckling.
I'ma have to agree with every word...
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:35 PM
How is speaking out against a country that has done what Israel has and continues to do the Palestinians, as well as threatening to nuke Iran causing "infantile trouble' exactly?
1. yelling out expletives and anti Israeli sentiment in the manner brought before us on this thread dictates so
2. I said so
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:38 PM
Agreed they could have handled it better.Jack? I think the tactic is in question, not the argument they MAY have had. Motti even indicated he would have prolly engaged in civil discourse had it arose. This was not civil discourse. It was rude and disrespectful heckling.
Perhaps they wished to remain anonymous to avoid the backlash that comes with speaking out against that country rather than creating a face to face confrontation. It's not like they did anything other than speak their minds about it.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:42 PM
Agreed they could have handled it better.
Perhaps they wished to remain anonymous to avoid the backlash that comes with speaking out against that country rather than creating a face to face confrontation. It's not like they did anything other than speak their minds about it.
Cowards then?
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:42 PM
they were not interested in "speaking out against that country" they were heckling us, taunting us, to make amusement and watch us get pissed off, if you look back carefully to what i said earlier, i spoke with someone else who had a negative reaction to the flag, and we all walked away with smiles,Agreed they could have handled it better.
Perhaps they wished to remain anonymous to avoid the backlash that comes with speaking out against that country rather than creating a face to face confrontation. It's not like they did anything other than speak their minds about it.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 10:49 PM
I'm not saying it's right but if you're going to fly that flag these days you're going to get heckled. It represents hate to millions of people. It's quite possible they felt they were the ones being taunted by the flying of it.they were not interested in "speaking out against that country" they were heckling us, taunting us, to make amusement and watch us get pissed off, if you look back carefully to what i said earlier, i spoke with someone else who had a negative reaction to the flag, and we all walked away with smiles,
There a folks who fly the Union Jack strictly as a heritage thing yet there are others who wouldn't stand for it because they believe it's a symbol of hate.
Where does the line get drawn?
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:15 PM
When the Union Jack gets flown at Vibes in boardieland, and folks get rudely heckled... I'd hope you would say there's no place for that.
Flying these flags is not asking for heckling and rude behavior in boardieland.
There's really no room for that in boardieland.
IMO, of course.
Flying these flags is not asking for heckling and rude behavior in boardieland.
There's really no room for that in boardieland.
IMO, of course.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:19 PM
Tabbooma heard another story of a non boardie or boardie light in boardie camping acting like a dick to a really cool boardie.. Man thats a lot of boardies.. Maybe tighten up on who camps in boardie, like actual boardies
yea thats it...lock it down
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 11:51 PM
Not at all, except for the tactical narcotics team raid that dragged off 6 neighbors and 4 cars, besides that all neighbors were great including the dumb youngins who got busted selling shit out of their camp to all walks of life.
At least you didn't have bad neighbors IN your campsite.....
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:06 AM
I don't know anyone here personally, though I hope to by this time next year. So I hope this come across OK.
I think it sucks that you had to endure that garbage; I applaud your not stooping to their level and yelling obscenities back. THAT would have been perpetuating the conflict. And I fail to see how yelling expletives about the only country in a region where people of multiple races and religions can worship openly, be citizens, hold political office and where women can walk the streets (in most places) without fear of attack or discrimination is the same as expressing a simple dislike - especially when those making the comments also shout support for a group of people whose mission, for as long as I've been alive, is bring about peace by wiping out said country and its people. It's a very complicated issue - one about which many people just echo the loudest pundit's opinion without really understanding the full history - especially the last 40-50 years or so. It's a true shame that those who were doing the yelling couldn't engage in civil discourse, but chose instead to keep the hate alive. To quote Pete Ham of Badfinger, "Successful conversation can take you very far."
I think it sucks that you had to endure that garbage; I applaud your not stooping to their level and yelling obscenities back. THAT would have been perpetuating the conflict. And I fail to see how yelling expletives about the only country in a region where people of multiple races and religions can worship openly, be citizens, hold political office and where women can walk the streets (in most places) without fear of attack or discrimination is the same as expressing a simple dislike - especially when those making the comments also shout support for a group of people whose mission, for as long as I've been alive, is bring about peace by wiping out said country and its people. It's a very complicated issue - one about which many people just echo the loudest pundit's opinion without really understanding the full history - especially the last 40-50 years or so. It's a true shame that those who were doing the yelling couldn't engage in civil discourse, but chose instead to keep the hate alive. To quote Pete Ham of Badfinger, "Successful conversation can take you very far."
