Holistic Mommies

[HoopsTer]

Hey Boardie Mommies and Daddies :)

I have finally figured out which direction I am going to take my IIN career in. :) For a while I have been toying with working with prenatal women, I already have my prenatal yoga certification. I obviously plan on integrating yoga into my health counseling. It seemed like a good idea to actually utilize that additional certification! So on Saturday I met with a number of women for a target market lunch; we were all interested in prenatual nutrition and green babies. Talking with these women totally confirmed my target market for my holistic health counseling business. Thinking about this one actually energizes me, it gets me excited and I think it's exactly where I am supposed to be!!!

My client base will include moms to be, prenatal and postnatal women. I will work with them to make optimal holistic health and lifestyle and green choices for fertility, a healthy pregnancy and healthy postnatal through weening to ensure the best possible immune system for their babies. I want to help create healthy, holistic, green babies! I remember after taking my prenatal certification I was on such a Goddess, women empowerment high for days. I researched becoming a midwife or a doula but then eventually decided it wasn't for me.

I don't want to tell women you must go vegan or to only eat green eggs and ham I just want to educate women about fertility, pregnancy and infant health choices. I want to empower them with education and options! I want to teach them about going green and love doing it!

So, my question(s) for all you holistic boardie Mommies and Daddies are:

1. What are your favorite resources?
2. What was easy about having a holistic/green pregnancy?
3. What was hard about having a holistic/green pregnancy?

Any advice or words of wisdom would be awesomely appreciated.

Thanks :heart:

[HoopsTer]

NO ideas or comments from anyone? :undecided:

Sass??

[sarah b.]

have you been to the (I think its) kellymom forums, or mothering.com? ask joia, she knows where the granola mom boards are (not knocking granola or moms). Acupuncture can help people carry a baby to term; there are a few kids here who were born with the help of acupuncture. Often, it is used with folks doing IVF, but it can also be helpful to folks who aren't doing IVF.

[Joia]

yeah, I hang out on mothering. I use kellymom for anything breastfeeding related. when I was pregnant with Yesmeen, I got most of my "crunchy" advice from my midwife.

I also get mothering magazine.

I'll have to get back to you regarding your specific questions.

[mamapajama]

I wouldn't say I'm holistic and am not sure what a green pregnancy is but definitely went in a less than traditional American direction for my pregnancies and baby-rearing. I think if I'd been on the internet or connected in any way with like-minded folks, I'd have done even more.

I had been given wonderful books by my husbands aunt, who had her baby at home with a midwife. I learned so much from these books and have passed them all on so couldn't say titles, authors...they were mostly about using midwives, "natural" childbirth, etc.

I have been vegetarian since I was 17 so had to adapt the little diet in the "What to Expect When You're Expecting" book that the midwife gave me. I decided to use a midwife, wrote a birth plan to include some Leboyer methods, had a dula for baby #1 (but she missed the birth), was able to deliver without meds in a calm and relaxed atmosphere, had a wonderful supportive partner, nursed for 1 year and 1 year and 18 months respectively and have raised my children as vegetarians.

I wore my babies, slept with my babies, nursed on demand, I tried cloth diapers. On the other hand my babies were vaccinated, my children watch TV, eat potato chips and I tend to raise my voice when frustrated.

To answer your other two questions:

The easiest thing was being myself and applying that to my choices as a new mom.

The hardest thing was figuring out most of it alone (especially breastfeeding).

[mamapajama]

I wouldn't say I'm holistic and am not sure what a green pregnancy is but definitely went in a less than traditional American direction for my pregnancies and baby-rearing. I think if I'd been on the internet or connected in any way with like-minded folks, I'd have done even more.

I had been given wonderful books by my husbands aunt, who had her baby at home with a midwife. I learned so much from these books and have passed them all on so couldn't say titles, authors...they were mostly about using midwives, "natural" childbirth, etc.

I have been vegetarian since I was 17 so had to adapt the little diet in the "What to Expect When You're Expecting" book that the midwife gave me. I decided to use a midwife, wrote a birth plan to include some Leboyer methods, had a dula for baby #1 (but she missed the birth), was able to deliver without meds in a calm and relaxed atmosphere, had a wonderful supportive partner, nursed for 1 year and 1 year and 18 months respectively and have raised my children as vegetarians.

I wore my babies, slept with my babies, nursed on demand, I tried cloth diapers. On the other hand my babies were vaccinated, my children watch TV, eat potato chips and I tend to raise my voice when frustrated.

To answer your other two questions:

The easiest thing was being myself and applying that to my choices as a new mom.

The hardest thing was figuring out most of it alone (especially breastfeeding).

[fire_rocket]

Here's another resource besides those already listed:
diaperswappers.com is for cloth diapering and is a great way to swap or buy cheap diapers
I'll have to dig through my files to find you some more

I used both a chiropractor and acupuncture when trying to turn my breech baby (to no success...). I tried to be as holistic as possible but with a serious health issue that was not as possible as I would have liked. I took a hypnobirthing class which I loved and gave me tools to use in every day life. We also made all of our own baby food which was very easy- we never bought any formula or baby food. We used the book Super Baby Food and still refer to it for toddler recipes. I took a pre-natal weekly yoga course. I still use cloth diapers on my 22 month old on the weekends that we're at home.

I think being in VT really helped me to be more holistic. I believe that other states don't embrace it so whole heartedly and provide the necessary support.

[HoopsTer]

Ah thank you so much everyone. I LOVE reading your mommy stories and experiences; whatever they are...holistic, traditional, western, natural, hospital, it doesnt matter it's all a really big help! thank you!!!

please please keep them coming. :)

[sums]

as you probably already know ;) i birthed at home, did not vaccinate my kids and treated them with herbs/alternative medicine as much as i could. i never used a disposable diaper. my life has always been very "alternative" so most of these things were just what i inherently knew i wanted to do. i began studying herbal medicine when i was 19 so this sort of set my path to a natural lifestyle. i read as much as i could get my hands on.

makai didn't eat meat until he was 7, forest closer to 5. makai is grown now but still relies on herbs and home remedies before heading to a doctor. forest recently went through a pretty serious illness. after 3 months, modern medicine still couldn't cure it and now he's going to an acupuncturist who identified what is really wrong with him and is pretty confident she can cure it. this is the 1st time i went for modern medicine 1st (because i was scared and knew nothing about treating his condition). i should have followed my instincts and taken him right to the acupuncturist. live and learn ;)

[Mama Kel]

I don't have much new to add to this. We are as organic as possible, although meat eaters, I nursed & I also made my own baby food.

Here's a tip for moms: pureed homemade baby food - put it in an ice cube tray & freeze - pop out & store in ziplock bags - each cube is about 1 ounce of food

I think the key to recruiting more people is to make the transition as easy as possible. I think people stick to traditional medicine, jar food, formula etc because they are afraid of not doing the right thing.

This is a great idea:clapping:

[mamapajama]

Oh yeah, I made their babyfood too. I'd forgotten that. My kids are getting old. :)

[sums]

yeah, i made my own baby food too and my kids are really old! ;)

[Elphaba]

i did no planning, but did take prenatal vitamins. i worked in a gas station and inhaled gas fumes for 8 months of my pregnancy. i begged for and took all drugs offered during labor, ended up in a meconium situation and a c-section. i was in the hospital for almost a week. baby was ready to go home right away. quite healthy, scored high on the apgar and gained weight in the hospital - she had a nice round head (i always tell her that). bottle fed, gave up on her own at 8 months. slept all night from 2 months on. loved mashed potatoes and pizza crust when her teeth started coming in (of course i fed her a balanced diet, these were just her favorites). fully vaccinated, had a severe reaction to the tetanus though, it's a medic alert - will never have another one. she never had an ear infection and rarely had any other illnesses. the only days missed from school up until 3rd grade were when we went to disney world. not very green or holistic, just sort of winged it. everything came out pretty damn good though.

[LiL MaMa]

as you probably already know ;) i birthed at home, did not vaccinate my kids and treated them with herbs/alternative medicine as much as i could. i never used a disposable diaper. my life has always been very "alternative" so most of these things were just what i inherently knew i wanted to do. i began studying herbal medicine when i was 19 so this sort of set my path to a natural lifestyle. i read as much as i could get my hands on.

makai didn't eat meat until he was 7, forest closer to 5. makai is grown now but still relies on herbs and home remedies before heading to a doctor. forest recently went through a pretty serious illness. after 3 months, modern medicine still couldn't cure it and now he's going to an acupuncturist who identified what is really wrong with him and is pretty confident she can cure it. this is the 1st time i went for modern medicine 1st (because i was scared and knew nothing about treating his condition). i should have followed my instincts and taken him right to the acupuncturist. live and learn ;)

aren't vaccine's required in order to enroll your kids in school? :huh: If they aren't I'm gonna be so pissed. I hate getting Cole vaccinated.

[Mama Kel]

aren't vaccine's required in order to enroll your kids in school? :huh: If they aren't I'm gonna be so pissed. I hate getting Cole vaccinated.

No - you need to have a 'religious exemption' but it is not absolutely necessary as they lead you to believe.

[Joia]

aren't vaccine's required in order to enroll your kids in school? :huh: If they aren't I'm gonna be so pissed. I hate getting Cole vaccinated.
depends on the state. Here in FL you can get a "religious" exemption. You don't have to say what religion. It takes literally 5 minutes to get it and it lasts through their entire school career. Rio is mostly vaxed and I completely regret it, but I had to get the exemption to put her in school because I refused the boosters.

what state do you live in? mothering.com forums has an entire forum for vaccines. (they are against them)

[sums]

here in oregon, when you go to register your kids for school, the religious exemption is right on the bottom of the vaccination form that they ask you to fill out. you just have to sign, not even list a religion. which is a good thing because i don't belong to a religion ;)

[Mama Kel]

In NY I think you need documentation of a religion (ridiculous IMO) but there are simple ways to address that

[sums]

so fucking stupid that you have to "document" your belief system :rolleyes:

[Joia]

yeah, there's an "online religion" that I think was started by a bunch of chiropractors so you can put that when you need a "church" to belong to in order to get the exemption.

[Mama Kel]

yeah, there's an "online religion" that I think was started by a bunch of chiropractors so you can put that when you need a "church" to belong to in order to get the exemption.

Yeah that's what I heard too. You should just be able to opt out period - without any religious exemption

[Wende]

What will happen if everyone stops vaccinating?

[Elphaba]

What will happen if everyone stops vaccinating?

if *everyone* stops vaccinating those diseases will re-emerge. diptheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, etc.

the vaccinations do not come without risk, as with anything else. like my kid and the tetanus. the vaccination was very bad, so bad she had/has a medical document excusing her from that vaccination for school or whatever. risking the disease is better odds for her. downside, those childhood vaccinations come in a cocktail, dpt - diptheria, pertussis, tetanus. so the d & p boosters were not in stock pharmeceutecals and had to be a two shot deal not good for the fear of needles thing.

[Joia]

if *everyone* stops vaccinating those diseases will re-emerge. diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, etc.


well.... I think it depends on the definition of "everyone"... I don't think eradicated diseases will make a comeback in the countries they have been eradicated...

Here's the thing: I do believe that vaccines save lives. It's completely apparent in countries with poor water supplies and where children die from seemingly minor diseases. However; in this country we are filling our babies up with way too many vaccines way too quickly and then they add more and more each year. it's just too much for their little bodies.

Like, if Yesmeen fell and needed stitches, I'd give her the tetanus vaccine...If my girls don't get chicken pox by the time they're 10 or 11, I'll probably break down and get the vaccine for them... but then you have to do a booster before college anyway so they don't get shingles.

I don't want *everyone* to stop vaccinating. I just don't want it for my kids... at least not right now.

[Wende]

I have refused all the vaccines that they have tried to give my children these past couple of years. I was lucky, my kids had the chicken pox, one after another, all three of them. They tried to give them the Hep A? is it? And i'm like, no. ANd they litterally gave me a big speech. I was very flustered by that and tempted to never go back to them. (been going to them for 14 years) I don't agree with many of the vaccines, but you have to pick and choose. There are many 0ut there that are neccessary. Have you ever met anyone that has had polio? I have, it's not pretty. It's still out there. HOw about the measles? Or the mumps? I think information is KEY. Do research before making decisions.

[Elphaba]

well.... I think it depends on the definition of "everyone"... I don't think eradicated diseases will make a comeback in the countries they have been eradicated...

Here's the thing: I do believe that vaccines save lives. It's completely apparent in countries with poor water supplies and where children die from seemingly minor diseases. However; in this country we are filling our babies up with way too many vaccines way too quickly and then they add more and more each year. it's just too much for their little bodies.

Like, if Yesmeen fell and needed stitches, I'd give her the tetanus vaccine...If my girls don't get chicken pox by the time they're 10 or 11, I'll probably break down and get the vaccine for them... but then you have to do a booster before college anyway so they don't get shingles.

I don't want *everyone* to stop vaccinating. I just don't want it for my kids... at least not right now.

i don't disagree with you. if given the opportunity to easily opt out there are vaccines that people should opt out of. like tetanus, why get one if you haven't been exposed to, or don't have a risk significant risk of exposure? silly. or chicken pox like you said. it is probobly better for disease resistance if some people don't get vaccinated so that a natural resistance still exists the risk is up to them. i discussed the gardisil and the hep vaccines now with my daughter that are optional and she decided to opt out, as i would if i were her. she may change her mind if her situation changes.

other vaccines like wende said, polio (especially if you travel to the middle east) - and the pertussis (whooping cough) should seriously be considered.

i think everyone should gather all information from both sides of vaccinate vs. don't vaccinate and go from there. valid risks on both sides.

[Wende]

That gardisil seems silly to me. I guess I don't know enough about it. Isn't all the things that it guards against things that can be prevented through generally taking good care of yourself?

[Joia]

well, polio has been eradicated in all countries except for India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and a country in Africa. The last "outbreak" in the us was due to giving the live vaccine to AIDS patients.

I'd rather bring an arsenal of antibiotics than get unnecessary vaccines to countries who fully vax.

now, if I were going to Africa, I'd load us all up on every vax there is!

[sums]

i had both the measles and mumps, at the same time, when i was kid after receiving the vaccine.

i did homeopathic versions of all the vaccinations when forest was little. my naturopath at the time suggested that i do tetanus and polio. i did the tetanus and passed on the polio (the "real" ones).

when forest was little there was a whooping cough outbreak in this county. the paper reported one day (trying to admonish those of us that didn't vaccinate) that of everyone who reported the disease, 50% were not vaccinated!

;)

[Joia]

when forest was little there was a whooping cough outbreak in this county. the paper reported one day (trying to admonish those of us that didn't vaccinate) that of everyone who reported the disease, 50% were not vaccinated!

;)
most of the "outbreaks" of whooping cough are vaccinated children. they claim that the vaccine does not work until all boosters have been given.

I've read all this stuff and not just on the anti-vaccine propaganda websites, from the cdc and other government "pro-vaccine" sites.

[HoopsTer]

I must say, I love how this thread turned to vaccination talk and I didn't even bring the topic up! :funny1:

[sums]

it's a biggie! ;)

[Joia]

yeah, sorry! :lol:

[HoopsTer]

yeah, sorry! :lol:

LOL don't worry. :wink:

The debate is good, it means that people are educating themselves about options! Parents need to know they have options.

And parents in New Jersey need to fight to get those options back!! :joker:

[Joia]

And parents in New Jersey need to fight to get those options back!! :joker:

I thought they had the option, but the crackdown was against parents who didn't have the necessary exemption documents?

[sarah b.]

Here's a site on acupuncture in pregnancy and childbirth:
http://acupuncture.rhizome.net.nz/

[HoopsTer]

I thought they had the option, but the crackdown was against parents who didn't have the necessary exemption documents?

There is a religious exemption, but they are begining to crack down on it.

New Jersey doesn't have a philosophical exemption right now, which is an issue considering the vaccine mandates that were passed in Sept. 2008.

But we're working on it. I am becoming pretty active in the NJCVC. There is legislation currently in the NJ State Legislature which if passed will allow for a conscientious belief exemption in cases of mandatory vaccine administration.

The legislation will allow parents to claim a conscientious belief exemption to such mandates, but still permit the NJ Commissioner of Health to keep non-vaccinated children out of school and/or daycare in cases of a public health outbreak of the illness associated with the vaccine.

This is a big and LOPSIDED issue. The company I work for, which is at the forefront of vaccine R&D supported the manditory vaccination legislation and assisted in lobbying efforts.

Our headquarters are in NJ.

Do the math. :sad:

[mrs.peloquin]

Can you get the vaccines not combined?? I know it like a combo deal now -- the combination scares me most. Not to compare dogs with chidren.......just take from it what you will. My parents breed dogs, their "mentor" breader who has been breading shih tzus since forever, noticed that he never had a problem with any birth defects until he started giving his dogs the combined shots instead of separate, once those puppies that got the combined shots started having puppies he started to notice a WAY higher rate of birth defects in his puppies.

As stated not to compare Dogs to humans, but I find this interesting because he was able to observe the life cycles of his dogs quicker than we can with humans. He also kept pretty damn good records so when he noticed these problems he never had before he could look for a pattern and he found one.

[Wende]

INTY

[Elphaba]

if you read back up, my daughter did not have the (these) vaccines combined due to a severe reaction determined to be to tetanus in the dp(tetanus). whether insurance would cover it without a good reason is another question. insurance companies suck ass.

[Wende]

Is it insurance companies that suck ass or the patients/doctors that suck ass? It is my belief that insurance companies suck the balls because of the stupid ass people out there.

[Elphaba]

how so? splain it to me lucy. (doctors may suck ass too, but patients are great ;) )

also, thanks for the cookies...you should have taken the money you goof!

[HoopsTer]

Can you get the vaccines not combined?? I know it like a combo deal now -- the combination scares me most. Not to compare dogs with chidren.......just take from it what you will. My parents breed dogs, their "mentor" breader who has been breading shih tzus since forever, noticed that he never had a problem with any birth defects until he started giving his dogs the combined shots instead of separate, once those puppies that got the combined shots started having puppies he started to notice a WAY higher rate of birth defects in his puppies.

As stated not to compare Dogs to humans, but I find this interesting because he was able to observe the life cycles of his dogs quicker than we can with humans. He also kept pretty damn good records so when he noticed these problems he never had before he could look for a pattern and he found one.

You're exactly ritght. It's the vaccine loading that's the problem.
You used to be able to separate out the MMR vaccine. Not so much anymore....Merk has stopped making the individual shots.

NJ and other states mandate MMR and then a second measles shot. Because measles is only available in the combination MMR, children are required to get an extra dose of mumps and rubella, too.

If they continued to offer the individual vaccines, they could study the differences in injuries and the degree and quality of immunity. There’s known interference when live measles and live mumps vaccines are given together. The duration of protection is lower. Giving single vaccines at optimum timing can maximize their protective value. In today’s economic environment, we should be demanding proven measures of cost-effectiveness of our vaccine program. Why do we routinely require and pay for boosters when immunity can be easily tested first and there are risks to giving more when less is an option? :joker:

[Mama Kel]

I have friends that split up the shots - but that was a couple of years ago. Not sure if that's still available?

I would tell the pediatrician that your families are allergic to everything & you're afraid to do shots in combination b/c of that. I'm sure there's single shots available, but limited for those with medical necessity

[HoopsTer]

I have friends that split up the shots - but that was a couple of years ago. Not sure if that's still available?

I would tell the pediatrician that your families are allergic to everything & you're afraid to do shots in combination b/c of that. I'm sure there's single shots available, but limited for those with medical necessity

As of two weeks ago there was 1 pharmacy in New Jersey that had separate MMR shots available, and they only had one dose.

[Joia]

It's really hard to find MMR seperated.

[melanie]

unvaccinated kids are in a way relying on the majority who ARE vaccinated to protect them indirectly - i believe its called "heard immunity" in the medical community. the problem i think is that many parents have never seen the damage diseases like measles mumps and polio did to kids before our time. there was at some point an outbreak of Hib in MN in 2008 that was attributed to a large group of children who were not vaccinated which I think was the 1st documented case of a pretty much considered potential problem previously.
the thing is, unfortunately there are people walking around with preventable contagious illnesses so i prefer to be over-cautious in that respect. granted, the amount of vaccines seems overwhelming, and vaccination is NOT considered the greatest breakthrough in infectious disease (sanitation and handwashing believe it or not). there are even animal activist groups who believe our pets are over-vaccinated. but i think the dr's figure its better to have too much immunity than too little (?)

[melanie]

I'd rather bring an arsenal of antibiotics than get unnecessary vaccines to countries who fully vax.



one main reason for the development of vaccines is that most are for viral not bacterial

[Wende]

Melanie, you make very amazing points, and better than I could say it.

[twilight dancer]

with my pregnancy- i went all nutrition-
read up on everything- "spiritual midwifery" was a great resource.
i didnt see a doctor at all until i was being sewed up after labor. my birth plan set the stage for what a i wanted and thankfully- my midwife respected my views, options, and requests for no meds, or outside help. I nursed for 16 months, and used chiropractic care in both pregnancy...and for my daughter after she was born. sadly-my awesome chiro (who practiced reiki as well) moved to AZ a few years ago and i have yet to find one just like her. i had been her patient since I was 10.

i won't argue the vaccination point- i think the people here know how i feel and i can argue it to to no end. i know my shit.

i beleive that this country's interests lie in $ and not the health and safety of kids- so they will market any drug they can to sell it- just look at how many things they push on adults via advertisements-
here's the official CDC's documents on vaccination ingredients::
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
what is in these things are NASTY. you would surely feed your kids the items under the kitchen sink before you injected them with some of the crap they pass off as mandatory.

I wasnt vaccinated- my mom looked up her research and did extensive reading in 1976. my 3 younger siblings have not been vaccinated either.

we were raised in a house that did not eat red meat either. and when we were sick- we were taken to a chiropractor (back in the day before the quack chiro pop. exploded like it is now). i probably saw a doctor only when we needed physicals for school. I was the strange kid in school who brought tofu dogs to BBQs and tofu sandwiches to lunch at school.
I've had the measles and chicken pox. through my life until now- i just had one incident when i was 3 where i came down with terrible pneumonia, and almost died and it messed up my lungs since.but for the most part- i hardly get sick other than the every 5 year battle with pneumonia.
I am immune to strep throat too.

ON THE TOPIC OF GETTING YOUR KIDS THROUGH SCHOOL WITHOUT VAXES::::
Its sad to say that ways of doing this are not readily available in education- therefore parents vaccinate anyway despite their feelings thinking they can't get their child enrolled.
NOT TRUE.
you can.
I did- my siblings did.
sad thing is - in NJ- you have to provide a legal document to make sure they can't touch you if you refuse to vax.
My parents registered with the Congregation of Universal Wisdom- gave them a piece of notarized paper that stated anyone born from my father is covered- so i used it for me- and my daughter. they wont touch you with a 10 foot pole if you have that because you can sue the hell out of them if they disobey it.
http://home.comcast.net/~cuw/index.html

what pisses me off is the uneducation of doctors when you ask them about the side effects of vaxes- as well as ingredients. For the most part- they have no idea!!!!!!!
wtf????????


on a side: last year my daughter was rushed to the hospital because she had a serious reaction to penicillin from a RX for strep throat. they call it serum sickness and she was on an IV for 3 days in the hospital because of this allergy to foreign products in medications. god forbid she was innoculated with the animal shit they put into vaccinations these days and had a serious reaction. they gave me a penicillin alternative to give her when she got out- but i refused to give it to her- i cleared up her infection with raw garlic on sums' advice and she's recovered amazingly.

educate yourselves, moms if you seem to have no direction in where to look- don;t just settle for what a doctor tells you. ;)

[Joia]

Dear twilight dancer,
I love you.
Love, Joia
:grin:

[HoopsTer]

Brianne, you're one of my greatest mentors, whether or not you know it. :heart:

[Sassafras]

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Hi Hoopster :-)


http://www.compleatmother.com/


http://www.nvic.org/default.aspx


These are just a few of my favorites that got me started as a natural mama~ 8 years ago.

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[sums]

anyone watch larry king tonight? jenny mccarthy and jim carrey speaking out against the over vaccination of kids, her son getting autism from a "vacccine incident" and her curing it! very interesting stuff. they know their shit too. i only watched a bit of it but i'm interested in reading her book. it made me very happy to see celebrities out there questioning the system :thup: (i thought about you, brianne ;) )

[sums]

i read spiritual midwifery 30 years ago. it heartens me that it is still inspiring :heart:

[Mama Kel]

anyone watch larry king tonight? jenny mccarthy and jim carrey speaking out against the over vaccination of kids, her son getting autism from a "vacccine incident" and her curing it! very interesting stuff. they know their shit too. i only watched a bit of it but i'm interested in reading her book. it made me very happy to see celebrities out there questioning the system :thup: (i thought about you, brianne ;) )

Very Interesting & she's very educated. I've seen the diets work wonders on kids w/ Autism - I think coming out & saying that it's 'cured' is questionable.

I feel either he's just much better related or really didn't have autism to begin with. Many kids at 2 w/ sensory integration disorder & language delays look autistic - but then end up being 'fine' by age 6-8. sorry that's not autism or cured autism (just playing devil's advocate here) :wink:

[Joia]

anyone watch larry king tonight? jenny mccarthy and jim carrey speaking out against the over vaccination of kids, her son getting autism from a "vacccine incident" and her curing it! very interesting stuff. they know their shit too. i only watched a bit of it but i'm interested in reading her book. it made me very happy to see celebrities out there questioning the system :thup: (i thought about you, brianne ;) )
yeah, she knows her shit! I didn't see it, but I have seen a lot of her in interviews. SHe put her son on the autism diet and slowly but surly he began to speak!!! I love that story. I have a friend who's son became autistic after vax and she put him on the diet too, but she claimed he was cured by prayer... "whatever gets you through the night", I say, but either way, that diet really seems to work.

Sums, did your children ever leave the country? did they ever get vaxed?
we want to take the girls to lebanon (why I had Rio fully vaxed-didn't read up on the lebanon cdc website-only america) and I still really want to wait... She's just so perfect, I have a real hard time thinking about the risks of the vaccines.

[Joia]

i read spiritual midwifery 30 years ago. it heartens me that it is still inspiring :heart:
my midwife made me read it. Along with some other books. It was awesome, she gave me tons of homework :lol: I had to keep a food journal, do exercises, do kegels... she was fun!

[sums]

oh yeah the food journal. "today i ate oatmeal, then i threw it up. then i ate some soup, then i threw that up" :lol:

i did the 1st round of vaccinations with makai when he was about 6 mos old. he had a fever and i figured something wasn't right which is when i 1st started looking into them. i didn't give him anything but tetanus after that. forest was never vaccinated (except tetanus) but i took him to a homeopath who gave me a complete round of homeopathic substitutes. i never took them anywhere but canada.

[HoopsTer]

anyone watch larry king tonight? jenny mccarthy and jim carrey speaking out against the over vaccination of kids, her son getting autism from a "vacccine incident" and her curing it! very interesting stuff. they know their shit too. i only watched a bit of it but i'm interested in reading her book. it made me very happy to see celebrities out there questioning the system :thup: (i thought about you, brianne ;) )


I love Jenny for her Autism advocacy. Seriously, she's one of my idols for so many reasons. lol.

Even though I am not a mom, some day I will be... I spend A LOT of time doing volunteer outreach and work for the NJ Coalition for Vaccination Choice. There is a lot of propaganda out there and the wool is being pulled over a lot of people's eyes. I am so grateful that celebrities with such notariety are taking on the challenge of vaccination education.



Sass! Thanks for the recommendations!!! I am a book junkie :funny1: I have spiritual midwifery, but I will definitely pick up the other two! :heart:

[Sassafras]

http://ajourneyoflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/i-make-people.jpg


the compleatmother.com~has this image~~~it makes me feel good and strong about being a mom and the way we live~~~~ and gives me a chuckle~~~~

[fire_rocket]

http://ajourneyoflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/i-make-people.jpg


the compleatmother.com~has this image~~~it makes me feel good and strong about being a mom and the way we live~~~~ and gives me a chuckle~~~~

I love that picture. :wink: I got a tank top that I can't wait to wear this summer- it says "I make milk. What's YOUR superpower?" :lol:

[Raynequeen]

i love that picture too!

[Sassafras]

:grin:

[Mama Kel]

I love that picture. :wink: I got a tank top that I can't wait to wear this summer- it says "I make milk. What's YOUR superpower?" :lol:

Awesome!! :clapping::lol: