Repub Governors called racist for response to Stimulus package

[mule64]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/914106.html

[PeaceFrog]

Good. Pretty soon there won't be a single Republican left in elected office anywhere if they keep up their obstructionism. Republicans are already a regional party.

[mule64]

that is just so wrong. I guess some people just will not give up using the race card, even though it is so obvious it not the case.:joker:

[PeaceFrog]

It doesn't matter what color those people who could benefit from the stimulus package are. He will have to answer to them all come election time.

[mule64]

especially when it blows up in Obama's face

[PeaceFrog]

You didn't think the guy had a chance of getting elected to begin with. Why would anyone expect you to think anything he does will work?

Are you going to change your mind when things start to get better? It's not going to happen over night.

[mule64]

things will not get better under his plan. Just look at the stock market, it has no confidence in Obama or his plans. It has tanked since Obama came into office, more percentage wise than the decline in the fall attributed to Bush. Its An Obama recession now, its under his watch.
The congressional budget office says it will mess thing up long term and may not work short term. This is a non-partisan congressional group. Its all about "making things fair" now instead of fixing the economy, they do not really care if it gets fixed, its all about making one class that is dependant of the govt for all its needs.

[PeaceFrog]

I've come to realize that you really don't have any idea what you're talking about.

When Bush the second entered into office the Dow Jones was over 10,000. When he left office it was around 8000. That's a 20 percent loss.

Friday it closed at 7365. That's still about a ten percent decline since he took office. It's not good, but I'm just showing how wrong you are.

Making things fair and fixing the economy go hand in hand. I'm not even going to try and explain because you've got your mind made up and refuse to see it any other way.

How stupid and childish is Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives calling this "the Obama recession?" They can't even own up to what their man Bush did.

It's also pretty clear that you don't know much about the stock market, either. It doesn't just turn around over night. We're in a massive downtrend, called a recession. It's going to take a great force to reverse the trend. Again... it takes time.

The market goes down much quicker than it goes back up. Selloffs are based on fear, but rallies are based on hope. Hope comes about a lot slower and more gradually than fear.

[mule64]

can you read? I have come to realize you can't. The percentage drop in the fall, during the election, the drop Obama used to his advantage. geeez.

Markets go up and down according to their confidence in govts plans, they obviously do not have confidence. It does not turn around overnight, but it sure has been tanking. Good optimistic economic news should cause a rally, has it, no

[PeaceFrog]

The market has been in a downtrend since October 2007 when the Dow Jones Industrial Average reached its peak around 14,000, and Barack Obama had nothing to do with it.

There have been several rallies since Obama took office, but the overall outlook is just gloomy. Businesses are going bankrupt. Houses are in foreclosure. Banks are on the brink of bankruptcy. Unemployment is rising dramatically. These factors all influence the market, too, much more dramatically than government policy does.

The stimulus will have an impact over the long term as money is injected into the economy. I'm sure conservatives will figure out a reason why it was them who saved the day.

[zenLoki]

Rush Limbaugh is assigning way too much power to the president's office calling it Obama's recession. he's a hack looking for ratings. beisdes 30 days into office is not nearly enough time to start a rally/upturn in the economy. it just won't happen because the causes of all this runs deep and it doesn't seem to me that many people in and out of public office know what to do. most of what i'm reading attributes this to a cheap supply of money and this isn't even under the government's control. the Fed controls that and it's a private bank. injecting more money or in other words printing more money out of thin air is only going to continue to cheapen the money supply. causing prices to rise as it always does.

the political parties are just trying to smear the other side and make one look like the champions of the people to insure reelection. both parties lead us directly into this mess and the federal gov't is proving just how ineffectual they are at solving problems. how effective do you think planning for the economy is going to be coming from a few people? spreading this decision-making out over the nation and into the hands of businesses is the beauty of the free market. something we haven't seen for a long time. banking's free market ended in 1919 with the creation of the Federal Reserve. what happened 10 years later, the great depression. directly caused by an over-expansion of the money supply for those 10 years and then a sudden contraction causing a panic and stock market plummet. what's going on now isn't all that different.

check out some of Gerald Cellente's predictions for the next few years. he's got a few vids on YouTube.

[PeaceFrog]

That guy really seems to know his shit. Thanks for telling me about him.

[zenLoki]

you're welcome. wish i'd heard of him before everything went to the shitter.

[Elphaba]

the political parties are just trying to smear the other side and make one look like the champions of the people to insure reelection. both parties lead us directly into this mess and the federal gov't is proving just how ineffectual they are at solving problems.

werd

[PeaceFrog]

Smith is one of the most prolific libertarian writers. He ran for the LP nomination in 2000.

Jesus of Nazareth is one of the most prolific liberal speakers. He said we should pay our taxes and give to the poor.

[mule64]

Jesus of Nazareth is one of the most prolific liberal speakers. He said we should pay our taxes and give to the poor.
really, where does it say that?

[PeaceFrog]

really, where does it say that?

Luke 20:19 And the scribes and the chief priests tried to lay hands on him that very hour, and they feared the people, for they understood that he spoke this parable against them. 20 And they watched him and sent spies who pretended to be righteous in order that they might catch him in some statement so as to deliver him up to the rule and authority of the governor. 21 And they questioned him, saying, “Teacher, we know that you speak and teach correctly, and you are not partial to any but teach the way of God in truth. 22 Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?” 23 But he detected their trickery and said to them, 24 “Show me a denarius. Whose likeness and inscription does it have?” And they said, “Caesar’s.” 25 And he said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” 26 And they were unable to catch him in a saying in the presence of the people, and marveling at his answer, they became silent.

Luke 14:12-14. "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return, and repayment come to you. But when you give a reception, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, since they do not have the means to repay you; for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

Mt. 19:20. The young man said to Him, "All these commands I have kept; what am I still lacking?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

PWND

[Phishfolk]

Those bible quotes don't say that paying your taxes are a good thing and they don't imply that paying your taxes helps the poor.

[Arglebargle]

If they got the neocons and fundamentalists out of the Republican party, and embraced conservatism and small government, they'd have a much better chance of getting voted back in.

[PeaceFrog]

Those bible quotes don't say that paying your taxes are a good thing and they don't imply that paying your taxes helps the poor.

Look up different translations or something. I'm not going to try and interpret the Bible for you, but when I read it, it says that money belongs to Caeser, being the government of that time. So give the government their share. "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s."

Most organized Christians interpret this verse the same way I just explained. Research and prove me wrong if you wish.

Hey, explain to me what this means:

Matthew 19:23-24 (New International Version)


23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."