Can someone suggest products

[china cat]

I need products without all the chemical crap and with no animal products or animal testing (I get lost when searching the web and there are too many choices at Whole Foods). Anyone have a brand (that they really love) of any of the following:

bar of soap

body lotion (that is not too oily/greasy)

facial moisturizer (no dirty jokes, guys!)

deodorant (that actually works)

make-up line

sun screen

thanks for your help!

[china cat]

So, I just went on the Origins site. omg, I want everything. It's sooo expensive! Maybe I'll ask for stuff for mother's day :funny1:

has anyone used their products?

http://www.origins.com/templates/products/sp_nonshaded.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY5979&PRODUCT_ID=PROD13151

http://www.origins.com/templates/products/sp_nonshaded.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY5813&PRODUCT_ID=PROD7704

http://www.origins.com/templates/products/sp_nonshaded.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY5814&PRODUCT_ID=PROD7036

http://www.origins.com/templates/products/sp_nonshaded.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY9346&PRODUCT_ID=PROD15521

http://www.origins.com/templates/products/sp_nonshaded.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY9347&PRODUCT_ID=PROD10689

http://www.origins.com/templates/products/sp_nonshaded.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY9349&PRODUCT_ID=PROD225

http://www.origins.com/templates/products/sp_nonshaded.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY5813&PRODUCT_ID=PROD11084

http://www.origins.com/templates/products/sp_nonshaded.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY7974&PRODUCT_ID=PROD16044

http://www.origins.com/templates/products/sp_nonshaded.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY7974&PRODUCT_ID=PROD16046

[china cat]

No one?

I guess no one here uses soap :lol:

[sure-ur-rightdancer]

I can't see the ingredients in those proudcts so I can't really comment -- I would just caution that MANY companies that say that they are natural still use many synthetics ingredients....also remember just because something is natual doesn't mean that it is any safer or better for you than something synthetic (ie think of hot pepper or lead...both natural but both pretty harmful)..you need to decide what is important to you (ie biodegradability, toxic reactions, environmental sourcing, proven efficacy, pricing etc) since all ingredients have their own "issues"

I do/ have used products from Jason (lavender body wash), natures gate (shampoo, conditioner and body lotion)& lush (soap, massage/moisturizer bars & body wash) pretty regularly and they are all pretty nice

also I work with the burt's bees people a lot and I think that they make some really nice stuff as well (and they have decent prices!)

[china cat]

I can't see the ingredients in those proudcts so I can't really comment -- I would just caution that MANY companies that say that they are natural still use many synthetics ingredients....also remember just because something is natual doesn't mean that it is any safer or better for you than something synthetic (ie think of hot pepper or lead...both natural but both pretty harmful)..you need to decide what is important to you (ie biodegradability, toxic reactions, environmental sourcing, proven efficacy, pricing etc) since all ingredients have their own "issues"

I do/ have used products from Jason (lavender body wash), natures gate (shampoo, conditioner and body lotion)& lush (soap, massage/moisturizer bars & body wash) pretty regularly and they are all pretty nice

also I work with the burt's bees people a lot and I think that they make some really nice stuff as well (and they have decent prices!)

Thanks, yeah, see this is the problem. you don't really know. I trust Origins because Dr. Weil is associated with them, but their products are so expensive I can't justify paying that much. (and, yeah, why aren't all the ingredients listed? hmmm...)

I've given up on trying to find an organic/chem free shampoo/conditioner. I have wasted so much money trying them and they all suck. I need a serious conditioner.

Lush is a brand? I'll check them out

You seem to have a lot of info. you may get more questions from me :monkey:

[sure-ur-rightdancer]

also (and this isn't anti-origins) but remember that just because dr.weil has his name on these products it doesn't mean the entire line is approved by him --- many companies make one or two celeb endorced products and the rest are just "normal"

I would basically go to a sephora/macy's etc or something and get a bunch of samples and try them all out and see what works for you .... how natural or organic or whatever a cream is doesn't matter if it doesn't work (b.c it doesn't have anything potent in it) or you don't use it (b.c it smells/ feels funny)

[sure-ur-rightdancer]

and feel free... i work in the industry so I know most everyone's products -- my specialty is natural cosmetics so I know even more about that!

[china cat]

I picked up some JASON aloe hand/body lotion tonight http://www.iherb.com/Jason-Natural-Aloe-Vera-84-Hand-Body-Lotion-8-oz-250-g/6262?at=0 (thanks for the brand suggestion!) and some Dr. Bronner's soap

any dye/chem free tampon/pad brands that you know of, SUR?

[sure-ur-rightdancer]

glad that JASON works for you...their products are a good step in the right direction and Dr Bronner's soup is still (40 years later or something) still the benchmark for organic personal care (though definitely one of those you love it or you hate it things....)

sorry no suggestions for that! I am way to happy on the pill (and happily childless) to go au natural in that area!

[Jam Fan]

i like many of Gary Null's products. Especially his "heavenly baby lotion" .

[china cat]

So, I had a student present a speech last night on the dangers of laundry detergent. He is a salesman for proctor and gamble. When he got the job it was explained he would be working with products containing dangerous chemicals, one of which was laundry detergent (his job is to navigate away from pesky questions about safety of these products).

His speech scared the shit out of me. It is horrifying to realize what is really in detergent (he picked on Tide in particular but said the cheaper brands are even worse) and fabric softeners. He read the list of ingredients on the back label and then told us what ingredients are not listed and how/why they are so toxic (and explained the law that Nixon passed, which ensured these companies don't have to list these toxic chemicals). He said they are particularly dangerous because they are heated in the dryer, that we rub them all over our wet skin after a shower, they seep into our pores when we sweat.... i'm so disgusted with our govt.

I am now spending 3 times as much on natural products, but I will never go back

SUR, any thoughts on this info? http://www.healthycleaning.com/index.html

these products?

http://www.ecogeeks.com/greenstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=72&products_id=183

[sure-ur-rightdancer]

I think that the 1st site (and your student) is telling the "truth" but the main thing that is left out is the most important rule of toxicity...dosage! I find that natural companies love using data that shows how terrible an ingredient is but then neglect to mention that the terrible effects are seen when you use like 100000x the normal dosage (or concentration) which isn't realistic
if you did the same test with the natural ingredients (in many cases....not all) you would have the same issue (ie 1/2 of a gallon of vinegar will kill you in a really nasty way....basically melts you from the inside out)
my other issue is that "standard" products have many years of safety data while in most cases natural alternatives have little to none - consumers assume natural = safe and corporations take HUGE advantage of that!

the first thing that I noticed on both of those sites was yet again NO LIST OF INGREDIENTS! if you are so natural and safe and amazing wouldn't you want to show that to the world? (ie think Dr Bronners -- everywhere you look its talking about being 99.99% pure organic castile soap)

also there is some shady marketing lingo on one of the site "no harmful detergents" my question would be according to who? and what is the test that determines that?

I am not saying that they are bad....I am only saying that its interesting that they choose not to give any meaningful information

the natural product market is a very difficult one to navigate... it has become so attractive to many because health/being healthy is something that people are scared /willing to pay more for and companies know this ...another issue is that many well meaning people put out inferior (and sometimes unsafe) products just because they don't have the know how (ie a yoga instructor/SAHM/ acupuncturist (ie anyone who isn't a chemist) makes a cleaner that they use in their home - all their students/patients etc likes and then she tried to mass produce it but making one batch is VERY different than making 1000 batches)

I would look for products from well know companies (b/c they are more likely to have a regulatory dept who ensures that everything is safe/ up to regulations) that publishes their ingredient list and that you think works for you

some (not all! in fact some are probably more effective!) natural products are less effective and for example having bad bacteria (ie raw chicken goo) on your counter is going to directly affect you in a bad way more than potentially inhaling some compound that was shown to kill a rat in a lab when they ate 1000000x more than is in the whole bottle of cleaner you have.....personally I rather maybe have an issue in 60 yrs than have my friends and family puking for 3 days b.c I didn't properly sanitize

[china cat]

stop coming in here with all that common sense and stuff :joker:

good advice. but in regard to dosage: i mean, i really don't want chemicals all over my clothes, regardless of the amount - especially when i sweat. even in little amounts they are seeping into our pores, right?

any thoughts on seventh generation products? i bought a bunch today

[sure-ur-rightdancer]

well as a chemist.... you aren't going to like my answer to that question....chemicals? you mean like water? or salt? or air? everything is a chemical! :joker:

but the other side of me understands what you mean (chemicals = synthetics) however it isn't that simple

lets take an example..... ok is coconut "natural" ...yes , what if they squeeze it hard to get the oil out...still yes, what if they apply heat and **** to refine it? not as sure now right
but would you say that adding lime (****) to avocado when you make guacamole is still natural? why is it different here? is it b.c in the first example I said **** and that is a "chemical"? what if it is acetic **** (ie vinegar) or citric **** (ie lemon) is it ok then? what if it was made in a lab but is the exact same chemical component and you couldn't tell them apart is that ok?

ok another question..... what do you think about a product with these ingredients? a-pinene, limonene, 1,8-cineole, cis-ocimene, trans-ocimene, 3-octanone, camphor, linalool, linalyl acetate, caryophyllene, terpinen-4-ol and lavendulyl acetate....sounds pretty much like a "chemical"? probably wouldn't want to put that on?
its lavender essential oil....you probably use this a lot yet these components (specifically the pinene, limonene and linalool) have been proven to be the cause of most allergic reactions in cosmetics and are required to have a warning label if they are in a product in the EU

ok that is my "chemical" rant

back to the original question.... I do think that 7th gen products are good and pretty effective and do have less 'chemicals' than other products out there as well as a much better biodegradability so they are better for the environment --- they are a bigger company so they have some decent testing and accountability which I also like.... unfortunately the reality is that no cleaner is going to be 100% natural and they all have 'chemicals'

I am sorry that I can't say use xyz brand they are 100% natural and awesome and etc but if that is what you are looking for you are going to need to avoid most liquid soaps (detergents based on surfactants) and go back to bar soap (saponified oil/fat) which is the most 'natural' but again still uses acids/ bases etc as reagents

[china cat]

thanks for offering lots of info SUR!

do you have a blog? resources (other than your fabulous self) that I can read? got any good starter books? otherwise i'm going to continue to ask you hours of questions :lol:

what do you use for cleaning supplies? help, i just want to keep myself, animals, and the planet safe

[Spiderweb]

www.merriweathersonline.com

I've been using her soap & body products for years.

Used Origins for a few years too & it got too expensive. They are owned by Len Ron (Estee Lauder).

I've been using DCH products-Olive Oil cleaner & moisturizer & love them

[mountain mama]

great advice sur!

cat, i use simple green for cleaning everything except windows and clothes - a gallon has lasted me 3 years!! (and yes, my house is fairly clean:lol: ) vinegar diluted is great for windows and now that i read this i will be making my own laundry detergent. funny, i googled making your own laundry detergent the other day and just went back to the sight and some shit came up about the site being unsafe? it involves nals faspa (?) or ivory soap, borax, arm & hammer, water and essential oils...in 15 minutes you can make your own...i'll see if i can find the "recipe". curious to know what sur's input on it is though.

[china cat]

thanks spider and mama

funny, I log on to my own university website and see "URI Natural Products Research: Could nature be the best chemist?" lol. I can do some investigating in my own back yard.

you can click the video

http://www.uri.edu/

[china cat]

this book looks awesome

now that i have some time off, i can experiment

love the advice it offers about facial treatments

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0609803255/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000VV1XKY&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=05CASWNARHNP8V9J94PD

[china cat]

http://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Year-Lie-Yourself-Chemicals-Destroying/dp/0452288398/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274239359&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Super-Natural-Home-Improve-Planet-One/dp/1605299812/ref=pd_sim_b_4

http://www.amazon.com/Naturally-Clean-Home-Super-Easy-Formulas/dp/1603420851/ref=pd_sim_b_2

http://www.amazon.com/Omnivores-Dilemma-Natural-History-Meals/dp/0143038583/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274239459&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Defense-Food-Eaters-Manifesto/dp/0143114964/ref=pd_sim_b_1

[mountain mama]

Ingredients for making your own laundry detergent...makes enough for 80 loads!
1 bar bath soap, grated (your favorite brand, fels naptha is great)
1 cup arm & hammer super washing soda laundry detergent (a laundry booster)
1/2 cup borax
hot water
Directions
1Place grated soap in a ***.
2Cover with water and simmer over medium heat until all soap is melted, stirring occasionally.
3Pour into 5 gallon bucket.
4Add washing soda and borax.
5Add enough hot water to fill the bucket.
6Stir (I use a long measuring stick, but any long stick will work).
7Let sit overnight to gel.
8Use 1 cup per load.
9(You can pour this into old detergent containers or leave in the bucket. Please cover with a lid if leaving in the bucket to protect children and pets.).

you can add a few drops of your favorite essential oil as well...

[RaoulDuke]

this thread has been great reading, i just wish i had more initiative to be more green and natural. it would cost way to much money( that i dont have) and take too much time to remove all "chemicals" from my life

some things i do to protect the world; use simple green, refrain from using paper towels and plates, dont throw batteries out, recycle like its addictive (lol) and dont throw butts on the ground. im going to try that laundry detergent recipe, oh and i stopped using fabric softener years ago

[china cat]

mama, thank you! i am going to try it. i have been buying seventh generation (and got my brother too as well), but i'm into making my own - awesome

raoul, every little bit counts. i think what you are doing is great. i gotta work on my paper towel addiction (though i do buy recycled towels)

[sums]

bar of soap

i try to not use soap. i like dr bronners for body and for face a mixture of ground oatmeal, almonds with some rose petal and lavender thrown in. but forest loves this soap:

http://www.vitacost.com/One-With-Nature-Dead-Sea-Mineral-Rose-Petal-Soap#IngredientFacts

(buy as much natural stuff as you can from vitacost ;) )

body lotion (that is not too oily/greasy)

i don't use a lot of lotion (i don't have really dry skin...) if i have a really dry spot (my elbows) i use salve that my friend makes or my son's gf (she also makes the face scrub)

facial moisturizer (no dirty jokes, guys!)

beauty without cruelty. i have a hard time with any oils on my face and their stuff is the *only* stuff that doesn't make me break out! (they have one for "mature skin" :lol: )

deodorant (that actually works)

this works: http://www.vitacost.com/Crystal-Body-Deodorant-Spray

make-up line

i don't wear makeup. i'm beautiful enough as i am ;)

sun screen

i try to stay out of the sun (too much sun already in my life...) but if i have to, i like alba, they have a lot of botanicals in their sunscreens.

i hope this helps! other natural stuff i use is 7th generation detergent. i only use less than half of what they recommend. i like beauty without cruelty shampoo (you can get that at vitacost) and i have been using nature's gate herbal cream rinse since i was like 13 ;) srsly. 13.

[Jersey Thug]

bar of soap - i don't use bar soap often, though we do buy some locally crafted ones because Jason loves them - so i use that on occasion. but for everyday cleansing i use dr. bronner's in the summer, and in the winter i use liquid black soap with shea butter that i get at my local health food store, as it's incredibly moisturizing and my skin tends to become dry in the wintertime.

body lotion (that is not too oily/greasy) - i just discovered that boardie Nate (Boggleking) makes an amazing hand and body moisturizer. actually, he makes a few. but i LOVE his grapefruit/aloe/olive oil blend. prior to that discovery, i swore by Lush massage bars for all-over moisturizing for years and years. but i actually prefer Nate's lotion! i hope he doesn't mind me mentioning it here, but he should be selling gallons of the stuff anyway (if he isn't already) so hopefully he is moving in that direction anyway :)

facial moisturizer (no dirty jokes, guys!) - :lol: for my (sensitive) face, i use an organic carrot oil blend that i buy from the local beauty supply place, or organic coconut oil. this serves as both a cleanser AND a moisturizer. one step!

Lush makes a great cleansing bar called Sweet Japanese Girl that also is very emollient and requires no moisturizer afterward. if you are a product junky (as opposed to relying on simple oils) i'd highly suggest trying that one.

deodorant (that actually works) - the crystal stuff in the pink container works great. i switch off between the pump spray one and the solid.

make-up line - i like Organic Wear's bronzer to even out my skin tone, and their eye liner when i need that. i use Burt's Bees lip stuff (the lip shimmer in Papaya, and their clear pomegranite lip balm which tastes yummy and is nice and moisturizing).

Organic Wear is a subsidiary of Physicians Formula, so you can find it at any drug store. http://www.physiciansformula.com/en-us/staticpage/organic-wear.html

All Organic wear® products are 100% Free of
Harsh Chemicals
Synthetic Preservatives
Parabens
Synthetic Fragrances
Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO’s)
Animal Cruelty

sun screen - i burn easy and have no interest in looking like the crypt keeper in 10 years, so i wear my long sleeved linen hoodie everywhere in the summer, pretty much. but i also use traditional sunscreen - never have looked into better alternatives, so i'll be checking back for suggestions :)

[Erinisme]

OK I didn't read the whole thread (yet) but for deodorant I SWEAR BY Aloe and Almonds...it's 98% aloe vera 2% graprfruit seed extract. I dont' smell...my family has isseus with stinking...even with deodorant on...we've tried them all...this one works for EVERYONE! it's not an antiperspirant...just a anti stink!

http://www.vitacost.com/Alvera-All-Natural-Roll-On-Deodorant-Aloe-Almonds

and it's cheap as hell!

[Ginger Snap]

Just wanted to second Thuggy's recommendation of Nate's products- they are AWSOME. So nice. :ura1::ura1:

[BoggleKng]

Try Good Guide.com or SkinDeep.org as resources... or I can whip up some more stuff.. :V: I am working on some herbal insect repellent, toothpaste, more soaps, special requests or ideas.. Sunscreen and deodorant are little bit more complicated but worth a try and I have to give Carrie credit too since she helps :wink:

Best cleaner I found is dihydrogen monoxide..

[china cat]

thank you so much sums,thuggy, erin and NATE! Thank you for the products you made and provided for all of us at SC. I love the lip balm. I already used the soap and i haven't tried the lotion yet.

I am going to try to deoderants mentioned above. you guys rock :smile:

[Erinisme]

china i swear by this deodoratn! I mean really swear!

For laundry detergent I use 7th Generation. I agree with the chemical issue, but my main issue is that I don't want to pollute the water more than I have to. I use only biodegratable cleaners (body and house).

Face wash: Dessert Essence with Sea Kelp http://www.vitacost.com/Desert-Essence-Thoroughly-Clean-Face-Wash-With-Tea-Tree-Oil-And-Sea-Kelp

Floor cleaner by method...to be used with om mop...so awesome...squirt bottle thingy...with an awesome OM mop...like the swifter but with a washable head!

For all my household stuff I order basic H from Shaklee...learn more here http://www.shaklee.com/products.php?sku=00015 Britt is a rep so you can order through her! I have had my bottle for 3 yaers now, and it's like a quarter gone. IT is the best damn stove top cleanr I have ever used! I talkd so highly of it, the 3 clerks in the main office ordered it (with the super cute squirt bottles) and they all rave about it! And they are chemical queens!

Instead of bleach which is terrible for the environment you can use vinegar or grapefruit seed extract as a disinfectant! Also bleach is horrible for your skin :)

[Erinisme]

oh and please check out vitacost.com do searches for anything you could want...they sell 7th generation, they sell EVERYTHING! I get pasta and salad dressings...oils...face masks and washes..EVERYTHING!

For shampoo I have just fallen in love with Aveda's Sham-pure shampoo and conditioner...they're not super expensive either.

Young Living essential oil also makes a kick ass lavendar shampoo and conditioner that adds nice volume to my hair.

Okay I think I may be done now...until I find liek 30 more things to post about

[Erinisme]

and sums I love that you have fallen in love with vita cost...i love it there! I always have stuff in my shopping cart, and get so excited when the box comes!

[sums]

it has saved me *so much* money! :) thanks erin!!! :heart:

[Ginger Snap]

Try Good Guide.com or SkinDeep.org as resources... or I can whip up some more stuff.. :V: I am working on some herbal insect repellent, toothpaste, more soaps, special requests or ideas.. Sunscreen and deodorant are little bit more complicated but worth a try and I have to give Carrie credit too since she helps :wink:

Best cleaner I found is dihydrogen monoxide..

Nate, tell me about the bacterial stuff in the jar, what do you use it for? (I think that's what it was labeled.)

[RottenBellyErica]

I love Lush to the point of obsession. I love their shampoo bars, especially the Karma scented one.

Dr. Bronner's - household staple

Making your own laundry detergent as someone posted above --> easy, cheap and awesome!

I also love a lot of the sellers on Etsy. Lillith's Apothecary is a fave. She's located in Philly.

[Ginger Snap]

I love Lush to the point of obsession. I love their shampoo bars, especially the Karma scented one.
.


I almost pulled the trigger on the Henna Jasmine Fluff Ease (hairtreatment)...I'm like drooling over it. would have if shipping weren't so much for one product. :lol:

[sure-ur-rightdancer]

while I do like lush products a lot I have to say I am very surprised at their ingredient listings.... especially on the shower products (ie shampoo bars/ body wash).... for the price they charge they have basically the same INCI listing (plus a few sprinkles of essential oils) as any other mass market product
in fact I would say there formulations are even harsher than most of the other companies (ie Dove, Olay etc)

biggest thing to do is READ THE LABEL!

[Luna]

I agree always read the label and research the company... I was sad to hear that Aveeno tests all their products on animals... I used to use all their products :(

My faves:
Shampoo/Conditioner, body moisturizer -Avalon Organics
Deodorant-Jason Organics
Bar Soap-Nubian Heritage -- the black soap and oatmeal are awesome
Face Moisturizer/Cream- Home Health in Goji Berry http://www.healthsuperstore.com/p-home-health-products-goji-berry-facial-cream.htm --- love this stuff!!

[RottenBellyErica]

I almost pulled the trigger on the Henna Jasmine Fluff Ease (hairtreatment)...I'm like drooling over it. would have if shipping weren't so much for one product. :lol:


That's some good stuff. The scent really stays on your hair for a while. Very jasmine-y. Their stuff is over-priced for sure, and as sure-ur-rightdancer pointed out above, their products can contain some harsh ingredients depending on what you buy.

Really I'm a sucker for their colors, scents and clever packaging (or lack of).

I was so obsessed for a while that I posted on their message board and would get in on group orders from the UK because stuff was cheaper over there, but the shipping can be outrageous unless it was split up amongst several people. :cool:

[Jersey Thug]

I almost pulled the trigger on the Henna Jasmine Fluff Ease (hairtreatment)...I'm like drooling over it. would have if shipping weren't so much for one product. :lol:

i have a Lush close to my office if you want me to buy stuff and deliver it to you at Vibes. just sayin' :)

i'm a Karma addict, too. the shampoo bar, the solid perfume, the powder...the soap sometimes too. i just love that scent!

[RottenBellyErica]

i have a Lush close to my office if you want me to buy stuff and deliver it to you at Vibes. just sayin' :)

i'm a Karma addict, too. the shampoo bar, the solid perfume, the powder...the soap sometimes too. i just love that scent!

oooh, I had a limited edition bottle of Karma shower gel once. It took me two years to use it all and I just finished it off a couple of weeks ago.

[Ginger Snap]

i have a Lush close to my office if you want me to buy stuff and deliver it to you at Vibes. just sayin' :)

i'm a Karma addict, too. the shampoo bar, the solid perfume, the powder...the soap sometimes too. i just love that scent!

Holy smokes! Yes! Let me get a list together.. :crazy:

[Jersey Thug]

:lol: done! just remember that massage bars and stuff like that would have to stay at the hotie for the weekend. they melt if you try to bring them camping.

just trust me on that one :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Jersey Thug]

oooh, I had a limited edition bottle of Karma shower gel once. It took me two years to use it all and I just finished it off a couple of weeks ago.

:lol: i know that feeling. i went to the grand opening of the AC store and won a GIANT bottle of Honeywood (limited edition Honey I Washed the Kids shower gel, made only for the Hollywood opening) and that was the best shower gel ever! i tried to find another bottle when i got low on that, but it was impossible at that point to find.

i noticed last time i was in that they discontinued the shower gel i used for years after that - Sonic Death Monkey, which was chocolate, coffee, lime and hemp seed oil. that made me sad, but i haven't used the gels in a while due to the harsher ingredients, so i don't really miss it unless i think about it :lol: but i used to CRAVE that scent in the shower every morning!

[china cat]

okay, peoples using deodorant without antiperspirants: are you ruining shirts with yellowed sweat stains?



just read this. interesting and doesn't seem healthy

Solid antiperspirants are made with several ingredients, including wax, a liquid emollient and an active-ingredient compound. It's the active ingredient that gives antiperspirants their sweat-blocking power. All antiperspirants have an aluminum-based compound as their main ingredient. If you look at the back of an antiperspirant container, the aluminum-based compound is always the first ingredient listed. Here are a few of the common active ingredients:


Aluminum chloride
Aluminum zirconium tricholorohydrex glycine
Aluminum chlorohydrate
Aluminum hydroxybromide

The aluminum ions are taken into the cells that line the eccrine-gland ducts at the opening of the epidermis, the top layer of the skin, says dermatologist Dr. Eric Hanson of the University of North Carolina's Department of Dermatology. When the aluminum ions are drawn into the cells, water passes in with them. As more water flows in, the cells begin to swell, squeezing the ducts closed so that sweat can't get out.

Each cell can only draw in a certain amount of water, so eventually, the concentrations of water -- outside and inside the cells -- reach equilibrium. When this happens, the water inside the cell begins to pass back out of the cell through osmosis, and the cell's swelling goes down. This is why people have to re-apply antiperspirant. For those who suffer from excessive sweating, hyperhydrosis, aluminum chloride in high concentrations can prolong the swelling and may ultimately shrink the sweat gland, decreasing the amount of sweat it can produce.
An average over-the-counter antiperspirant might have an active-ingredient concentration of anywhere from 10 to 25 percent. The FDA requires that over-the-counter antiperspirants contain no more than 15 to 25 percent of the active ingredient, depending on what it is. The FDA also requires that all antiperspirants must decrease the average person's sweat by at least 20 percent. For those who have excessive underarm sweating, there are prescription products that contain concentrations higher than those of over-the-counter antiperspirants.

[Misha]

What a great thread! I just checked out the Vitacoast website and could have saved $10 if I had ordered SAM-E from there instead of going to CVS!

I really want to try that homemade detergent--I just wonder if it's strong enough to remove the stains from a 4 year old boys clothes:dunno:

Also, for skincare, I use Arbonne. It's really expensive and I was cynical about it at first but I've seen a huge improvement in my skin. My Dad even noticed my face looked younger and he wouldn't notice an angry bull standing right in front of him!:lol: I used to buy it from my friend but to be honest, I don't have much money so the last time I bought it was on ebay. It lasts forever. Also, it's vegan and never tested on animals (I swear I don't sell it--it's just so rare that something works for me and I can see the difference!).

[shadeelady]

this was such an informative thread! i am so glad that i read it!!! i am allergic to anti-perspirant....get a terrible rash under my arms. looks awful. i need to find a new deodorant, as the one i am using must have been discontinued, cause i can't find it anywhere anymore. :( i am going to check out that vita cost website now!! :)

[Erinisme]

omg i :heart: vitacost! They have EVERYTHING and usually send me out a save 10% or free shipping coupon like every other month or so...and thier shit goes on sale ontop of the already super low prices

if you need vitamins PLEASE PLASE PLEASE check out nature's made alive. I pimp these things out like I make commision LOL. They are awesome. 100% food based, all your basic nutrints...you can space out when you take them so they get absorbed better...totally awesome!

And they have everthing...dish detergent, soap, facewash...gluten free pasta....apple cidervinager...everything!!!

I want to try abborne, I've heard from a few people it works, and my skin has been having issues...maybe I'll check ebay...hmmm...

[HappieKamper]

I need products without all the chemical crap and with no animal products or animal testing (I get lost when searching the web and there are too many choices at Whole Foods). Anyone have a brand (that they really love) of any of the following:

bar of soap

body lotion (that is not too oily/greasy)

facial moisturizer (no dirty jokes, guys!)

deodorant (that actually works)

make-up line

sun screen

thanks for your help!
I use Suki products for my face. I also use their body oil, or Now Foods' coconut oil, instead of using a lotion.

Make-up; I use Bare Minerals, but I don't wear makeup that often. The foundation is also 15 SPF.

Deodorant, I use Tom's but I'm not thrilled.

Don't usually use sun screen - but it's said that coconut oil is a natural sunscreen - I don't completely trust that statement though.

[Mama Kel]

So after all the health probs I was having, I decided to start making as much as this stuff as I can.

I did very little research online & with some basic household supplies, you can make all your cleaning, beauty product needs easily & cheap. I also started reading Not Just A Pretty Face by Stacy Malkan - scary stuff!

I'm going to start doing this ASAP!! :jamguy:

don't worry Nate - lotions, lip balms & soaps looks a bit involved for me so you'll still have me as a customer! :funny1::heart:

[china cat]

what did you make, kel?

i'm not happy with my deodorant (no longer using antiperspirant), but i feel kinda stinky sometimes

i want to find a good kitchen cleaner (wipe down counters), i'm using 7th generation brand, but the smell is really strong. i don't like it.

so i look on line at all these products that claim to be plant based, "natural" and I really don't what to believe and what really works :undecided:

i'm using JASON brand (deodorant, facial moisturizer, and aloe lotion) and dr. bronners soap

does non-chlorine "bleach" really whiten?

oh and i just read shit about all the crap in your average pillow (that you laying your head on each night and breathing in), so i want to find good pillows.

i just really want someone who has really done the research to tell me what to buy :undecided:

[BoggleKng]

I have a good laundry soap recipe.. you try the Good Guide, Chi? They have a nice ratings set up..

I am working on deodorant, sunscreen, insect repellent, facial cleaners, some winter intensive lip balms, black soap and vegan products!!!

[china cat]

yay, nate!

i just looked up organic cotton pillows - holy bejeebus, they're like 30-70 dollars :eek:

i'll check out good guide

[BoggleKng]

just stuff a bunch of clothes in a pillow case and call it a pillow... ha ha ha... there is also a good resource for soy products too if you want the info..

[china cat]

just went to good guide! passed in on to a few people. thanks!

still weeding through research on soy - seems to have mixed reviews about how much is really good for you

it's all so overwhelming :undecided:

[china cat]

i heart you guys so bad.

so glad i have this community :heart:

[BoggleKng]

just went to good guide! passed in on to a few people. thanks!

still weeding through research on soy - seems to have mixed reviews about how much is really good for you

it's all so overwhelming :undecided:

If you want to read some old school research on soy, try
Jethro Kloss's Back to Eden.

Here is the link of the soy report and products:

http://www.cornucopia.org/2009/05/soy-report-and-scorecard/

worth the quick read

[Mama Kel]

I found a bunch of recipies for everything. I'm going to start making laundry soap, dishwasher detergent, dish soap for the sink, shampoo, wood cleaner & all purpose cleaner to start.

I haven't tried these yet but will review when I do.

Laundry soap:
1 bar grated soap (castile, fels naptha, etc), 1/2 cup borax, 1/2 cup washing soda (borax & washing soda are said to be found in grocery stores). Stir very thoroughly until a powdery mixture is formed. 2 batches fits in a large yogurt container. 1 tbsp per load - 2 tbsp for very soiled.

Dish soap:
2 cups castile soap (Dr. Bronner's, etc.), 1 tsp lemon juice or a few drops of essential oil, 1/2 cup water. Combine & mix well, put in a squeeze bottle. Shake well before using.

All Purpose Cleaner:
1/2 cup vinegar, 1/4 cup baking soda mixed into a 1/2 gallon water. Good for mirrors, counters, bath, etc.

Wood cleaner:
2 tsp olive oil, 2 tsp lemon juice. Mix well & wipe on w/ large strokes to evenly coat.

Dishwasher Detergent:
1/2 cup castile soap, 1/2 cup water, 1 tsp lemon juice or a few drops of essential oil, & 1/2 cup vinegar. mix together until blended. 2 tbsp per load. Shake well before use.

shampoo:
4 oz castile soap, fresh herbs, essential oil or lemon juice. Boil 2 cups of water & steep herbs for 30-40 min. drain, add essential oils/lemon juice & castile soap. Shake well. Has 1 year shelf life.

Edited to add: you can use castile soap by itself for almost everything too. We have been using Dr. Bronner's for years - mostly camping - but for dishes, shampoo, body soap, toothpaste (kinda yucky)

[Mama Kel]

Check this out:

http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/

you can type in a brand name, type of product (shampoo, baby sunscreen), or ingredient & it will tell you the toxicity of the product. I'm about to go throw out everything in my house! YUCK! :eek:

[china cat]

thanks, kel!

i plan to make some of the products

i passed on that site to many friends. i did google the environmental group that compiles the research (wanted to see who funds them, if there might be bias), it did say some private corps do some funding. i'll look into it more but looks like it's on the up and up.

this thread has been so informative!

[BoggleKng]

Check this out:

http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/

you can type in a brand name, type of product (shampoo, baby sunscreen), or ingredient & it will tell you the toxicity of the product. I'm about to go throw out everything in my house! YUCK! :eek:

a great database for finding new stuff.

That laundry soap is great stuff.. Kel..

[Mama Kel]

Heads up - Dr. Bronner's gallon jugs are on sale at the Vitamin Shoppe online for $30!!! :dance:

[china cat]

http://storyofstuff.org/cosmetics/

[fire_rocket]

Heads up - Dr. Bronner's gallon jugs are on sale at the Vitamin Shoppe online for $30!!! :dance:

I bet that's cheaper than buying it bulk at the co-op... right now I'm far too lazy to do the math. :lol:

[Mama Kel]

So I've started the clean out. shampoo, hand soap, body soap, baby soap out. Dr. Bronners in!! :clapping:

Next week, laundry detergent, dish soap, dishwasher detergent, household cleaners! :jamguy:

[china cat]

That's awesome, Kel!

trying to do the same here - switching over products one by one. no more flouride toothpaste, antiperspirant, tossed the pantene shampoo...

using seventh generation (until i start making my own) dishwasher soap, non-chlorine bleach...

I called my town to make sure the water is not fluoridated (it's not!)

(((healthy homes)))

[fire_rocket]

That's awesome, Kel!

trying to do the same here - switching over products one by one. no more flouride toothpaste, antiperspirant, tossed the pantene shampoo...

using seventh generation (until i start making my own) dishwasher soap, non-chlorine bleach...

I called my town to make sure the water is not fluoridated (it's not!)

(((healthy homes)))

We just started using 7th Gen dishwasher soap and we love it. I participated in a survey for them and got a box FULL of goodies- baby wipes, tampons, pads, toilet paper, 2 things of cleaning spray, dishwasher soap, dish soap and laundry soap.

Once I finish up my current toothpaste it's onto some Tom's and I am never going back to Crest or other toothpaste. :undecided: I've heard that stuff is seriously loaded with bad stuff!!!

[Mama Kel]

We just started using 7th Gen dishwasher soap and we love it. I participated in a survey for them and got a box FULL of goodies- baby wipes, tampons, pads, toilet paper, 2 things of cleaning spray, dishwasher soap, dish soap and laundry soap.

Once I finish up my current toothpaste it's onto some Tom's and I am never going back to Crest or other toothpaste. :undecided: I've heard that stuff is seriously loaded with bad stuff!!!

We've used Tom's forever - great stuff! Once you get used to it & try to switch back to Crest, etc. the popular brands taste awful!

[Erinisme]

Deodorant...http://www.vitacost.com/Alvera-All-Natural-Roll-On-Deodorant-Aloe-Almonds try it PLEASE

kitchen wipes http://www.shaklee.com/00312.html no sent!

[Mama Kel]

Thanks for the deoderant link. That's one of the next to go as well!

[Erinisme]

it's awesome I swear by it!

[china cat]

i will buy the deodorant, erin. JASON brand doesn't do well according to kel's link. Toms of Maine scores pretty well.

FR, I gotta get in on that survey. lol

[Jersey Thug]

Tom's of Maine toothpaste has sorbitol in it now :bang: i'm super-allergic to sorbitol, so that's a bummer.

i want to try Erin's deodorant. i don't like Tom's (it doesn't work for me and i really don't want to be the stinky kid in class) and though i like the crystal, it doesn't like me much. i keep getting scratched by it, after it wears down just a little - and the spray bottle gets clogged and just frustrates me to pieces in the morning, so that's not a good option either. :lol:

[Jersey Thug]

I am working on deodorant, sunscreen, insect repellent, facial cleaners, some winter intensive lip balms, black soap and vegan products!!!

or i'll just wait for Nate to make more things that i love :clapping::clapping::clapping:

how's the black soap coming? and what are you doing with all the naked plantains? :lol:

[Mama Kel]

So I've started the cleaners - Vinegar/baking soda/water for windex - can't tell the difference!! Laundry soap & dishwasher soap both work great too & took me 2 minutes to make :jamguy:

[china cat]

So I've started the cleaners - Vinegar/baking soda/water for windex - can't tell the difference!! :jamguy:

how much of each? what kind of vinegar?

here's another site:


http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/12-beauty-secrets-from-around-the-world-2393238/

[Mama Kel]

It was 1/2 cup white vinegar, 1/4 cup baking soda & 1/2 gallon of water. It filled 2 windex sprayers. Smells & works the same. :jamguy:

[china cat]

thanks, kel. buying ingredients today

[Jersey Thug]

Tom's of Maine toothpaste has sorbitol in it now :bang: i'm super-allergic to sorbitol, so that's a bummer.

i want to try Erin's deodorant. i don't like Tom's (it doesn't work for me and i really don't want to be the stinky kid in class) and though i like the crystal, it doesn't like me much. i keep getting scratched by it, after it wears down just a little - and the spray bottle gets clogged and just frustrates me to pieces in the morning, so that's not a good option either. :lol:

update: i found a Tom's toothpaste that's made with xylitol instead of sorbitol, finally!

and the crystal deodorant spray now comes in a couple of scented versions (lavender and pomegranite scents - i bought and like the lavender) and they improved the spray thingie so it doesn't clog anymore!

booyah! :Phishfolk:

[china cat]

they're all selling out :rolleyes:

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_17306.cfm

[china cat]

update: i found a Tom's toothpaste that's made with xylitol instead of sorbitol, finally!

and the crystal deodorant spray now comes in a couple of scented versions (lavender and pomegranite scents - i bought and like the lavender) and they improved the spray thingie so it doesn't clog anymore!

booyah! :Phishfolk:

thanks, jennie

i didn't even know to look for sorbitol

[annieL]

:coffee:Grandpa's vegetable based soaps are good and they're not too expensive.

[china cat]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NAH/is_3_29/ai_54189551/

[Mama Kel]

Good recipies. Thanks for posting.

[china cat]

Kel, I got the book (not just a pretty face). I decided to have all students speech topics this semester be about food and health. Someone is covering dangers of cosmetics! 44 students focused on dangers of what we consume and put on our bodies :V:

[china cat]

Nate,

I am putting in an order for Christmas - I want to give the people I care about a care package for the holidays (nate's lotion and lip balm), and I'm going to buy dr. bronner's soap and a copy of one of the books i'm reading (Not just a pretty face or The hundred year lie or In defense of food). I think these are great gift ideas! Maybe even make some of the products you're making, Kel (I haven't done the recipes yet, still using seventh generation products)

let's talk, nate :smile:

[Mama Kel]

I thought about doing the same thing for gifts. The book is going to freak you out!

[Mama Kel]

Trying new dishwasher detergent. The other one leaves a film on the dishes. This one is 1/2 borax, 1/2 baking soda. They also suggest putting white vinegar into the jet dry dispenser. I'll let you know

[china cat]

how's the new detergent, kel?

you should hear the speeches students are presenting about shampoo, amalgam fillings, corn syrup.... :eek: Two of my students have read Not Just a Pretty Face. I'm thinking of starting a group at my house. Have students interested come over once a week, cook a healthy meal and watch a video about these issues.

I just watched 3 documentaries about the american diet :one:


here's a good book - buying this and In Defense of Food as christmas presents (also giving Nate's products :)
http://www.amazon.com/Green-Beauty-Guide-Essential-Fragrances/dp/0757307477/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1287843452&sr=1-1

[Erinisme]

no photo for me china.

I have been doing some research into almagam fillings...fucking 50% mercury!!!!!!

Need to find out if my insurance will cover replacing all 7 of my fillings...totally explains the metalic taste i have in my mouth

[Mama Kel]

The new detergent is a lot better. I've got 2 books on the list to read about diet. One is In Defense of Food. Good so far. Nothing really new for me though. We've been eating 'whole' non-processed foods for a long time

[china cat]

no photo for me china.

I have been doing some research into almagam fillings...fucking 50% mercury!!!!!!

Need to find out if my insurance will cover replacing all 7 of my fillings...totally explains the metalic taste i have in my mouth

erin, look into that because there are arguments that taking them out is very hazardous (releases mercury into the system). I don't know enough about it but I have heard the process of taking them out and the leakage that occurs can be worse than leaving them in.

http://www.dentalwellness4u.com/freeservices/amalremov2.html

http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/should.html

[china cat]

The new detergent is a lot better. I've got 2 books on the list to read about diet. One is In Defense of Food. Good so far. Nothing really new for me though. We've been eating 'whole' non-processed foods for a long time

finishing this tonight

so glad to have this group - it's comforting that others are on the same path

[Erinisme]

I've never heard about it...Mama Kel may I suggest the Body Ecology Diet. It's what I"m doing for the candida overgrowth....it has a lot of applications though and some great info.

[Mama Kel]

yes you sent me that link a while ago - very interesting stuff! :smile:

[china cat]

what's going on in here? any updates?

seventh generation dishwasher soap sucks.

i ordered nate's products for christmas presents :mrgreen:

[china cat]

oh, my family has jumped on board and they are making lifestyle changes! brother hasn't had meat, dairy, or a cigarette in 2 weeks! mom is converting to less toxic cleaning supplies and beauty products. so, she stopped over this morning to tell me she bought the good soap i suggested. i asked, which one? she said, "um, the dr. boner."

boner :lol:

[jnjn]

i've been using kiss my face brand unscented liquid rock deodorant which i like a lot. i still sweat a bit, but i def don't stink like when i was using toms of maine (toms doesn't agree w/ me...i'm guessing it has something to do w/ my body chemistry). before that i was using nature's gate brand stick which worked pretty well, but sometimes it felt sticky so i switched.

for hand & body wash i use dessert essence liquid soap...i get a huge container for cheap from vitacost.com. never drys my skin out :)

method brand dish soap works well

i love boscia brand oil free spf 15 facial moisturizer (sephora). not sure how natural the spf is, but everything else is & it doesn't have any preservatives.

i can't remember which brands of cleaning products i use...i try to be mindful of the ingredients (yes, it can be quite overwhelming which ones to stay away from & i'm not sure if i'm always doing a good job :undecided:), but usually i'll buy whatever's on sale & doesn't smell too perfumey.

ya know, i don't think i've ever used seven generation products because they're always much more expensive than other natural brands.


btw, this thread rocks :)

[Ginger Snap]

china- the coconut oil you gave me is helping clear up some seasonal acne/dry skin thing I get on my back. Thanks! :grin:

[musicmomma]

coconut oil is all i use for cooking now. :smile:

[china cat]

china- the coconut oil you gave me is helping clear up some seasonal acne/dry skin thing I get on my back. Thanks! :grin:

:rose:

coconut oil is all i use for cooking now. :smile:

yes, need to start this myself


and jnjn, this thread does rock :Phishfolk:

still need a good dishwasher soap :undecided:

[jnjn]

i've never cooked w/ coconut oil because i always thought it was really high in saturated fat?

i use it in my hair & around my eyes :lol:
stupid crows feet :carla:

[Mama Kel]

Nothing new here i don't think

changed dishwasher soap to 1/2 baking soda & 1/2 borax with white vinegar in the jet dry dispenser. I think it works well.

Dr. Bronners for a lot

1/2 vinegar 1/2 water for windows etc.

1:10 bleach/water ratio for multi purpose cleaner

Nate's lotions & lip balms

castille soap, borax & washing soda for laundry

I need a good alternative for hardwood floors - anyone?

[mountain mama]

hi mama kel...i was just reading about using dr bronners castile soap on wood floors - 1.5 teaspoons per gallon of water. i haven't tried it but will have to soon with snow+dogs (+husband) tromping in and out.

re: coconut oil - WOW! it is a remarkable product for so many things!! i use it for cooking and moisturizer and hair/scalp... just read that it can be used for antiperspirant/deodorant too! i just tried it for that purpose yesterday - i don't stink yet but i'll report back for stink updates.

[Mama Kel]

Thanks MM! :smile:

[china cat]

police raid organic food store :rolleyes:

http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=6F803D6A9316B6B66E491E3EE9974E66

[spacewoman]

CC - I've seen that clip.

The FDA is attempting to crack down on raw milk and cheese (both sold at Rawsome Foods). Never mind that raw milk has a better safety record than pasteurized milk does. It's all about the money, and big AgriBiz/Big Dairy has lobbied (weaseled) their way into the FDA and are trying to knock out the competition. It gets me really upset, because I see raw milk products as super foods that are essential for my health and that of my family. It's sad how corrupt our government is.

[Mama Kel]

It's sad how corrupt our government is.

This :bang:

[mountain mama]

coconut oil does not work as deodorant...stink update - i stink!:lol:

[Erinisme]

I am add liquid cholorphyll to my water at least once a day to help akaline my body.

It's supposed to help with the stink from the inside.

I don't have a major stink problem, but i haven't noticed a difference either way

[china cat]

ok, toothpaste. can we talk? i hate the JASON brand and the Tom's. They are clumpy and icky. any suggestions for a toxin free toothpaste?

[Erinisme]

I use kiss my face...it's aloe based...I use the sensitive one and like it a lot

[china cat]

thanks, erin. is it minty enough? i like to feel fresh :mrgreen:

[Erinisme]

it is pretty minty and it's a clearish gel not white and pasty...and 'now has more mint extract for extra freshness' lol