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mule64

01-20-2009, 09:36 PM

Deadshow Dan

01-20-2009, 09:39 PM

what about the one that happened when he was asleep at the wheel?

do we get to blame him for that?

:huh:

mule64

01-20-2009, 09:44 PM

what about the one that happened when he was asleep at the wheel?

do we get to blame him for that?

:huh:

Clinton get a lot of blame for that, even though you will not admit it. If the CIA had not been gutted by Clinton, they would have caught Alquaida growing so much so fast.

sarah b.

01-20-2009, 09:45 PM

Thank you, George Bush, for being a part of Pete Seeger and Paul Simon getting Kennedy honors. :) Did Dylan get one, too, while he was president?

Elphaba

01-20-2009, 09:46 PM

my balance sheet shows that administration owes me, not in dollars mind you. but i'm willing to write it off as bad debt. it is time to move forward.

gregoir

01-20-2009, 09:49 PM

No thanks. And if an attack is really going to happen no one will be able to stop it. Don't live in fear people.

jagermonster

01-20-2009, 09:52 PM

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Deadshow Dan

01-20-2009, 09:53 PM

Clinton get a lot of blame for that, even though you will not admit it. If the CIA had not been gutted by Clinton, they would have caught Alquaida growing so much so fast.

Ah Clinton, Clinton, Clinton.

I take that as a "yes, there is blame with Bush"

Bush acted like a scared, cowed thug.

I'm sure there are things I can thank Mr. Bush for. I'm sure that some people did some work that protected the usa from terrorist acts and I wouldn't be surprised if Bush actually did participate in some decisions and actions that have kept the usa safer. But he precided over the worst terrorist attack in USA history and his reaction to it has made us weaker in many many ways. Fear and weakness is a lot of what defined Mr. Bush

china cat

01-20-2009, 09:56 PM

The title of this thread makes me want to vomit.

carry on

mule64

01-20-2009, 10:02 PM

what about the one that happened when he was asleep at the wheel?

do we get to blame him for that?

:huh:

if another terrorist attack happens within the next year, I would definately put most of the blame on Bush.

Count P-Funk

01-20-2009, 10:05 PM

if another terrorist attack happens within the next year, I would definately put most of the blame on Bush.

Even if Obama fails to act on the information available to him?

mule64

01-20-2009, 10:07 PM

Even if Obama fails to act on the information available to him?
if that info come to light, then no. But those things take time to plan, with all the supposed intelligence info they are getting now, if something is planned it should be known.

Arglebargle

01-20-2009, 10:08 PM

So I guess the anthrax attacks didn't count. Thanks George.

Oh and the DC snipers. They don't count either.

01-20-2009, 10:10 PM

everyone is entitled to their opinion. ;)

Tabbooma

01-20-2009, 10:14 PM

George and the boys are gone... Lets move ahead

Ginger Snap

01-20-2009, 10:15 PM

No fucking way no how will I thank him.

china cat

01-20-2009, 10:17 PM

thanks for your environmental stewardship, george

http://www.foxriverwatch.com/nrda/bush_record.html

:heart:

KindGeeGirl

01-20-2009, 10:17 PM

Thank you GW Bush for extending unemployment over and over again cuz man I REALLY enjoy getting paid to hang out with my kids.

Thank you for reminding us that evil is not gone. It just hides and sneaks in under the name of God.

Thank you for fucking up so bad we may just make forget childish ways.

PS
FUCK YOU I WANT THE TWIN TOWERS BACK YOU LIFE SUCKING PARASITE :joker:

KindGeeGirl

01-20-2009, 10:20 PM

thanks for your environmental stewardship, george

http://www.foxriverwatch.com/nrda/bush_record.html

AND THE ENVIRONMENT!!! AND THE CONSTITUTION!!! THE COUNTRIES PRIDE!!!

YOU FUCKIN DRUNK SPOILED MONKEY!!! I BET YOU ARE DRUNK AND FEELING LIKE A PIECE OF SHIT RIGHT NOW AFTER THE SPEECH YOU SAT THOUGH TODAY!!!

FUCKIN SACK OF SHIT!!!

Arglebargle

01-20-2009, 10:27 PM

Hey while we're at it, how about that FDA?

KindGeeGirl

01-20-2009, 10:27 PM

AND EVERY LIFE YOU KILLED IN THE NAME OF WAR THAT YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY!!!

If Bush is resposible for the 8 years of no attack then he is responsible for the attack when it happened. SORRY BUT you can't have it BOTH WAYS!!!

KindGeeGirl

01-20-2009, 10:28 PM

Hey while we're at it, how about that FDA?

What FDA!?! It doesn't exist.

How about those BEES!!!

mule64

01-20-2009, 10:30 PM

If Bush is resposible for the 8 years of no attack then he is responsible for the attack when it happened. SORRY BUT you can't have it BOTH WAYS!!!
good answer. From now on, by that logic, Bush can not be blamed for any future failures by the Govt. Its all on Obama now.

deadheadskier

01-20-2009, 10:35 PM

Thank you George for the $600 I got last summer

other than that, I got nothing.

I can think of no President that has been so divisive both domestically and internationally than W has been. Actually that's not true internationally. He's been an ace at uniting hate against or nation internationally.

gregoir

01-20-2009, 10:35 PM

There was really no need to start this thread. What's the need to stir shit on a pleasant day for America.

china cat

01-20-2009, 10:37 PM

thanks for abandoning the Constitution, george

The USA PATRIOT Act has generated a great deal of controversy since its enactment. Opponents[who? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words)] of the Act have been quite vocal in asserting that it was passed opportunistically after the September 11 terrorist attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_terrorist_attacks), believing there to have been little debate. They view the Act as one that was hurried through the Senate with little change before it was passed.The sheer magnitude of the Act itself was noted by Michael Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moore) in his film Fahrenheit 9/11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_9/11). In one of the scenes of the movie, he records Congressman Jim McDermott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McDermott) alleging that no Senator read the bill[189] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-F-911-McDermott-188) and John Conyers, Jr. as saying "We don't really read most of the bills. Do you know what that would entail if we read every bill that we passed?" Congressman Conyers then answers his own rhetorical question, asserting that if they did it would "slow down the legislative process".[190] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-F-911-Conyers-189)


EPIC have criticised the law as unconstitutional, especially when "the private communications of law-abiding American citizens might be intercepted incidentally",[193] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-EPIC_RovingWiretaps-192) while the EFF hold that the lower standard applied to wiretaps "gives the FBI a 'blank check' to violate the communications privacy of countless innocent Americans".[194] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-EFFOnRovingWiretaps-193)


The Act also allows access to voicemail through a search warrant rather than through a title III wiretap order.[197] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-Section209-196) James Dempsey, of the CDT, believes that it unnecessarily overlooks the importance of notice under the Fourth Amendment and under a Title III wiretap,[198] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-ABA_DempseySection209_212_220-197) and the EFF criticises the provision's lack of notice. However, the EFF's criticism is more extensive — they believe that the amendment "is in possible violation of the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution" because previously if the FBI listened to voicemail illegally, it couldn't use the messages in evidence against the defendant.[199] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-EFFSection209-198)


The USA PATRIOT Act's expansion of court jurisdiction to allow the nationwide service of search warrants proved controversial for the EFF.[201] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-Section220-200) They believe that agencies will be able to "'shop' for judges that have demonstrated a strong bias toward law enforcement with regard to search warrants, using only those judges least likely to say no—even if the warrant doesn't satisfy the strict requirements of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution",[202] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-EFFSection220-201) and that it reduces the likelihood that smaller ISPs or phone companies will try to protect the privacy of their clients by challenging the warrant in court — their reasoning is that "a small San Francisco ISP served with such a warrant is unlikely to have the resources to appear before the New York court that issued it."[202] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-EFFSection220-201) They believe that this is bad because only the communications provider will be able to challenge the warrant as only they will know about it—many warrants are issued ex parte, which means that the target of the order is not present when the order is issued.[202] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-EFFSection220-201)

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-EFFSection220-201)
For a time, the USA PATRIOT Act allowed for agents to undertake "sneak and peek" searches.[50] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-Section213-49) Critics such as EPIC and the ACLU strongly criticized the law for violating the Fourth Amendment,[203] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-EPIC_SneakAndPeakSection213-202) with the ACLU going so far as to release an advertisement condemning it and calling for it to be repealed.[204] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-ACLUAdv-203)[205] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-FactCheckOnACLUAdv-204) In 2004, FBI agents used this provision to search and secretly examine the home of Brandon Mayfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Mayfield), who was wrongfully jailed for two weeks on suspicion of involvement in the Madrid train bombings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_train_bombings). While the U.S. Government did publicly apologise to Mr. Mayfield and his family,[207] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-USGovtApology-206) Mr. Mayfield took it further through the courts. On September 26, 2007, judge Ann Aiken found the law was, in fact, unconstitutional as the search was an unreasonable imposition on Mr. Mayfield and thus violated the Fourth Amendment.[51] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-SneakAndPeakStruckDownWired-50)[52] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-SneakAndPeakStruckDownNYT-51)

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-SneakAndPeakStruckDownNYT-51)
Laws governing the material support of terrorism proved contentious. It was criticised by the EFF for infringement of freedom of association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association). The EFF argues that had this law been enacted during Apartheid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid), U.S. citizens would not have been able to support the African National Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_National_Congress) (ANC) as the EFF believe the ANC would have been classed as a terrorist organisation. They also used the example of a humanitarian social worker being unable to train Hamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas) members how to care for civilian children orphaned in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, a lawyer being unable to teach IRA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army) members about international law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law), and peace workers being unable to offer training in effective peace negotiations or how to petition the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) regarding human rights abuses.[208] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-EFF_201_805-207) Another group, the Humanitarian Law Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_Law_Project), also objected to the provision prohibiting "expert advise and assistance" to terrorists and filed a suit against the U.S. government to have it declared unconstitutional. They succeeded, and a Federal Court found that the law was vague enough to cause a reasonable person to guess whether they were breaking the law or not. Thus they found it violated the First Amendment rights of U.S. citizens, and struck it down.[149] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-FullRulingSection805-148)[150] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-HLPPressRelease-149)

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-HLPPressRelease-149)
Perhaps one of the biggest controversies involved the use of NSLs by the FBI. Because they allow the FBI to search telephone, email, and financial records without a court order they were criticized by many parties.[209] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-ACLUNSLs-208)[210] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-EFFNSLs-209)[211] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-EPICNSLs-210)[212] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-BORDCNSLs-211) In November 2005, BusinessWeek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusinessWeek) reported that the FBI had issued tens of thousands of NSLs and had obtained one million financial, credit, employment, and in some cases, health records from the customers of targeted Las Vegas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas,_Nevada) businesses. Selected businesses included casinos, storage warehouses and car rental agencies. An anonymous Justice official claimed that such requests were permitted under section 505 of the USA PATRIOT Act and despite the volume of requests insisted "We are not inclined to ask courts to endorse fishing expeditions". [213] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-BusinessWeekOnNSLs-212) Before this was revealed, however, the ACLU challenged the constitutionality of NSLs in court. In April 2004, they filed suit against the government on behalf of an unknown Internet Service Provider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Service_Provider) who had been issued an NSL, for reasons unknown. In ACLU v. DoJ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Union_v._Ashcroft_%282004 %29), the ACLU argued that the NSL violated the First and Fourth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution because the Patriot Act failed to spell out any legal process whereby a telephone or Internet company could try to oppose an NSL subpoena in court. The court agreed, and found that because the recipient of the subpoena could not challenge it in court it was unconstitutional.[132] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-ACLUvDoJ-131)


Another provision of the USA PATRIOT Act brought a great deal of consternation amongst librarians. Section 215 allows the FBI to apply for an order to produce materials that assist in an investigation undertaken to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities. Amongst the "tangible things" that could be targeted, it includes "books, records, papers, documents, and other items".[56] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-Section215-55) the American Library Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Library_Association) strongly objected to the provision, believing that library records are fundamentally different to ordinary business records, and that the provision would have a chilling effect on free speech. The association became so concerned that they formed a resolution condemning the USA PATRIOT Act, and which urged members to defend free speech and protect patrons' privacy.[219] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-ALAResolution-218) T


Another controversial aspect of the USA PATRIOT Act is the immigration provisions that allow for the indefinite detention of any alien whom the Attorney General believes may cause a terrorist act.[115] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-Section412-114) Before the USA PATRIOT Act was passed, Anita Ramasastry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Ramasastry), an associate professor of law and a director of the Shidler Center for Law, Commerce, & Technology at the University of Washington School of Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Washington_School_of_Law) in Seattle, Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle,_Washington), accused the Act of depriving basic rights for immigrants to America, including legal permanent residents. She warned that "Indefinite detention upon secret evidence — which the USA PATRIOT Act allows — sounds more like Taliban justice than ours. Many other parties have also been strongly critical of the provision. Russell Feingold, in a Senate floor statement, claimed that the provision "falls short of meeting even basic constitutional standards of due process and fairness [as it] continues to allow the Attorney General to detain persons based on mere suspicion".[225] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-FeingoldIndefiniteDetention-224) The University of California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California) passed a resolution condemning (amongst other things) the indefinite detention provisions of the Act,[226] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-UniCaliforniaResolution-225) while the ACLU has accused the Act of giving the Attorney General "unprecedented new power to determine the fate of immigrants... Worse, if the foreigner does not have a country that will accept them, they can be detained indefinitely without trial."[227] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-ACLUIndefiniteDetention-226)

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-ACLUIndefiniteDetention-226)
Another controversial aspect of the USA PATRIOT Act is its effect on the privacy of British Columbian citizens. British Columbia’s privacy commissioner (http://www.oipcbc.org/) raises concerns that the USA PATRIOT Act will allow the United States government to access Canadians' private information, such as personal medical records, that are outsourced to American companies. Although the government of British Columbia has taken measures to prevent United States authorities from obtaining information, the widespread powers of the USA PATRIOT Act could overcome legislation that is passed in Canada.[228] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-NationalUnion-227) B.C. Privacy Commissioner David Loukidelis stated in a report on the consequences of the USA PATRIOT Act, “once information is sent across borders, it’s difficult, if not impossible, to control”.[229] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act#cite_note-CBCNews-228)


Legal action has been taken in Nova Scotia to protect the province from the USA PATRIOT Act’s data collecting methods. On November 15, 2007 the government of Nova Scotia passed a legislation aimed to protect Nova Scotians’ personal information from being brought forward by the USA PATRIOT Act. The act was entitled “The new Personal Information International Disclosure Protection Act”. The goal of the act is to establish requirements to protect personal information from being revealed, as well as punishments for failing to do so. Justice Minister Murray Scott stated, "This legislation will help ensure that Nova Scotians' personal information will be protected. The act outlines the responsibilities of public bodies, municipalities and service providers and the consequences if these responsibilities are not fulfilled

thanks again :heart:

china cat

01-20-2009, 10:41 PM

thank you, george, for an unnecessary war in iraq that has killed 4,228 U.S. men and women and forever destroyed the lives of those who loved them

thanks again :heart:

deadheadskier

01-20-2009, 10:41 PM

There was really no need to start this thread. What's the need to stir shit on a pleasant day for America.

This is hannity64 we're talking here......

I kid

china cat

01-20-2009, 10:44 PM

Thanks, george, for a national debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.41 billion per day since September 28, 2007.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

thanks, again :heart:

china cat

01-20-2009, 10:45 PM

thanks, george, for all the international relationships you forged while in office

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/19/america/NA-GEN-US-Carter-Bush.php

:heart:

Col_Sandoz

01-20-2009, 10:48 PM

China, did you and Iggy have a fight?:lol::lol:

china cat

01-20-2009, 10:52 PM

Hi Col :wavey:

Col_Sandoz

01-20-2009, 10:53 PM

What up lady?

china cat

01-20-2009, 10:54 PM

What up lady?

obviously my annoyance level :lol:

Col_Sandoz

01-20-2009, 10:57 PM

oh the serious side ... It's a new day!!

Sunshower

01-20-2009, 10:59 PM

{{{{{{Gina}}}}}} I think I :heart: YOU!:clapping::jamguy::V:

DifferentDrummer

01-20-2009, 11:00 PM

Whether you disagree with his policies, whether you disagree with Iraq, Gitmo, international wiretaps, whatever else...whether you totally hate him..... we all owe him a thank you for his efforts in not having another terrorist attack on our soil..

LOL

most illogical 'thought process' ever.

he IS to blame for 9/11. even if you don't think he was directly responsible for it, it happened ON HIS WATCH.

and everything he's done since then has only EMPOWERED those who hate us.

Royal

01-20-2009, 11:04 PM

Kind Gee Girl.... I am so impressed by your patriotism and level of knowledge I'm going to offer you a gov't job. You will work for Veterans Administration. Hence forth you will be known as VA GINA.

Sunshower

01-20-2009, 11:09 PM

[quote=Royal;45638]Kind Gee Girl.... I am so impressed by your patriotism and level of knowledge I'm going to offer you a gov't job. You will work for Veterans Administration. Hence forth you will be known as VA GINA.[/quote

(((((((Ryan)))))))) I :heart: YOU too!:lmao::rotf:

Joia

01-20-2009, 11:14 PM

Whether you disagree with his policies, whether you disagree with Iraq, Gitmo, international wiretaps, whatever else...whether you totally hate him..... we all owe him a thank you for his efforts in not having another terrorist attack on our soil. I hope and pray Obama can say the same thing when he leaves office in 8 years.

Are you serious?
The 9/11 attack was against Bush. We can all thank Bush for 9/11.
Clinton worked his ass off trying to broker peace in the middle east. Bush refused to even meet with both sides, or did you forget about that?

not to mention the thousands of American lives lost in Iraq, Thanks W.
not to mention destroying the constitution with the patriot act, Thanks W.
lets not forget the myriad of weapons of mass destruction he recovered

Bush sucks! now that he's no longer president, I can say it loud and proud without fear of a swat team taking me out in the middle of the night for violating the patriot act by voicing my opinions!:joker:

gregoir

01-20-2009, 11:18 PM

Kind Gee Girl.... I am so impressed by your patriotism and level of knowledge I'm going to offer you a gov't job. You will work for Veterans Administration. Hence forth you will be known as VA GINA.

That was awesome:rotf:

Don Nucka

01-20-2009, 11:20 PM

The one thing i can seriously thank him for:

Scaring average Americans away from Republican politics for the next 20 years at least.
Oh, and "only one" giant terrorist attack on your watch does not make a good record.

alsoa

01-20-2009, 11:29 PM

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/53/CNR_meh.jpg

Drop_o_Rain

01-20-2009, 11:32 PM

After Sept. 11th, George W. Bush appeared on television and his speech that night was remarkable. It was written for him, I am no fool, however, he delivered it beautifully and gave us all some courage to move forward and I remember many many of you being here and saying the same thing. I don't agree with much of what went on during the last 8 years, but I needed him that night and he executed the calmness, solidarity and united front that we needed.

I also thank him for being the ying to our yang today. Without his administration alienating many Americans, we wouldn't have pulled off this election. We again united over a cause... many many many many people were unhappy with him and so we pulled together to get him and his party out of office.

Here is a list I found citing some of his accomplishments:
1. Boosting Aid to Africa Threefold
This story (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/30/AR2006123000941.html) from the Washington Post says, "The president has tripled direct humanitarian and development aid to the world's most impoverished continent since taking office and recently vowed to double that increased amount by 2010 -- to nearly $9 billion."

2. Taking Down the A.Q. Khan Nuclear Proliferation Network
A.Q. Kahn (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3343621.stm) is considered the father of Pakistan's nuclear program. But several years ago, he confessed to leaking nuclear know-how and materials to Iran and Libya. Security experts suspect he also helped other countries including North Korea. Kahn is under house arrest in Pakistan. Critics (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_07/011612.php) say the Bush Administration should have acted faster on the Khan situation.

3. Getting Libya To Give Up Its WMD Programs And Renounce Terrorism
In late 2003, President Bush announced (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031219-9.html) that "quiet diplomacy" had led to a breakthrough with Libya. Libya agreed to give up all weapons of mass destruction programs and allow international inspection of suspected weapons sites. The president has implied that Libya agreed to all this after seing how the United States reacted to Iraq's suspected weapons program. Critics (http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/482) paint a different picture.

4. Getting North Korea To Shut Down Its Nuclear Reactor (Eventually)
In what is considered a diplomatic "win" (http://usforeignpolicy.about.com/b/a/000092.htm) for U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (http://usforeignpolicy.about.com/od/usstatedepartment/p/condirice.htm) over the more aggressive policies of Vice President Dick Cheney, the United States has made slow but steady progress in dealing with North Korea (http://usforeignpolicy.about.com/od/countryprofile1/p/usnkoreaprofile.htm).

5. Decapitating Al Qaeda's Top Leadership And Not Having a 2nd 9/11
Proving why something didn't happen is difficult, but we have to acknowledge that there has not been another 9/11 level attack on America. And many members of Al Qaeda (http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/AlQaeda.htm) are no longer with us.

KindGeeGirl

01-20-2009, 11:39 PM

Skrockypoint

01-20-2009, 11:43 PM

The title of this thread makes me want to vomit.

carry on

DITTO

KindGeeGirl

01-21-2009, 12:06 AM

good answer. From now on, by that logic, Bush can not be blamed for any future failures by the Govt. Its all on Obama now.

Yup he even said it in his speach. The word is resposibility. Now say it with me people R-E-S-P-O-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y. Good.

Unless the GOP has other plans it should all be smooth sailing from here. AHHHHH the Clinton years. Let's see how long it takes for us to start complaining about moving forward again. These steps back are old :V:

KindGeeGirl

01-21-2009, 12:08 AM

I can't spell. Time for bed :D

KindGeeGirl

01-21-2009, 12:09 AM

SHIT I was smart when Bush was in office. Now I'm like dumb and shit. I guess we had more IQ points when a drunk monkey was in charge.

KindGeeGirl

01-21-2009, 12:29 AM

OH WAIT if Obama goes on vacation for the next few months then I guess he can blame Bush :funny1:

(((((((SARCASM)))))))

Prometheus

01-21-2009, 07:59 AM

There was really no need to start this thread. What's the need to stir shit on a pleasant day for America.

Consider the source...

reba

01-21-2009, 08:41 AM

thank him.... no.
hope he gets everything he deserves.... yes!

Sunshower

01-21-2009, 09:49 AM

OK, yesterday I was really NOT in the mood to reply to this, as I was trying to remain calm. Today, however is a DIFFERENT day. I do NOT owe Bush ANYTHING. Fuck him and his raping, pillaging marauders. SO glad to see him go FINALLY! You just go on thinking that you owe that ingnorant piece of shit something. That IS your perogative. :rolleyes:

mule64

01-21-2009, 09:56 AM

There was really no need to start this thread. What's the need to stir shit on a pleasant day for America.

I did not start this to stir shit. Just because you and so many others choose to hate everything about the man and can not see any good (or admit to it) in an 8 year presidency that had low unemployment (until 6 months ago), high job growth, low interest rates, and relative safety after 911, is not my fault. There are millions of Americans who can see some positive aspects of his terms. Yes there are negatives and yes many people should be upset. But to block out any good from the past 8 years is just not right IMO.

KrisNYG

01-21-2009, 10:02 AM

I did not start this to stir shit. Just because you and so many others choose to hate everything about the man and can not see any good (or admit to it) in an 8 year presidency that had low unemployment (until 6 months ago), high job growth, low interest rates, and relative safety after 911, is not my fault. There are millions of Americans who can see some positive aspects of his terms. Yes there are negatives and yes many people should be upset. But to block out any good from the past 8 years is just not right IMO.

:rotf::rotf::rotf:

Please let's not forget all the victims of Hurricane Katrina that he abandoned. Yep, thanks for that one too asshole.:heart:

KindGeeGirl

01-21-2009, 10:05 AM

Unemployment has been at an all time high since Bush took office, there has been NO job growth, interest rates were low when he took office and I'm always safe. No matter what Bush keeps telling me.

Sorry man I'll try to get out of your thread now. I tried to be positive cuz I have made positives out of everything passed to me. It is just frustrating to see what I see.

I did not start this to stir shit. Just because you and so many others choose to hate everything about the man and can not see any good (or admit to it) in an 8 year presidency that had low unemployment (until 6 months ago), high job growth, low interest rates, and relative safety after 911, is not my fault. There are millions of Americans who can see some positive aspects of his terms. Yes there are negatives and yes many people should be upset. But to block out any good from the past 8 years is just not right IMO.

So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell,
blue skies from pain.
Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?
And did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?
How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have you found? The same old fears.
Wish you were here.

KindGeeGirl

01-21-2009, 10:06 AM

:rotf::rotf::rotf:

Please let's not forget all the victims of Hurricane Katrina that he abandoned. Yep, thanks for that one too asshole.:heart:

It's okay Mrs. Bush says they were better off after the hurricane :funny1:

(steps away from keyboard)

Luna

01-21-2009, 10:06 AM

Sunshower

01-21-2009, 10:07 AM

Hmmmmm...I guess different folks define GOOD in many different ways. Sorry, I do NOT see any GOOD in his whole 8 years. :rolleyes:

Joia

01-21-2009, 10:15 AM

Dont think we really have Bush to thank... perhaps his administration. The one thing I will say for his administration is that they have made some inroads for the refugees in Afghanistan. Driving out the Taliban has given them a semblence of a life back. Hopefully we can keep up the relief efforts over there :heart:

I'm sorry, my sister is in Afghanistan right now and the Taliban is still very much alive and kicking. They still wear the burka for fear of repercussions and they still trade off their daughters into polygamy as soon as they have their period (sometimes earlier). They are living the same s they ever did. their infant mortality rate is as high as ever and honor crimes/murders are still a common way of life. Don't let the "administration" fool you.

Jesse D

01-21-2009, 10:16 AM

thank him.... no.
hope he gets everything he deserves.... yes!

:clapping: Hellz yes!!!!

Luna

01-21-2009, 10:20 AM

I'm sorry, my sister is in Afghanistan right now and the Taliban is still very much alive and kicking. They still wear the burka for fear of repercussions and they still trade off their daughters into polygamy as soon as they have their period (sometimes earlier). They are living the same s they ever did. their infant mortality rate is as high as ever and honor crimes/murders are still a common way of life. Don't let the "administration" fool you.

Im very sorry to hear.. I guess I was fooled :(

I guess there really is nothing of good the last eight years have brought. Thanks for the update.

Deadshow Dan

01-21-2009, 10:21 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KvX8YHzMLQ

Joe

01-21-2009, 10:23 AM

Ah Clinton, Clinton, Clinton.

I take that as a "yes, there is blame with Bush"

Bush acted like a scared, cowed thug.

I'm sure there are things I can thank Mr. Bush for. I'm sure that some people did some work that protected the usa from terrorist acts and I wouldn't be surprised if Bush actually did participate in some decisions and actions that have kept the usa safer. But he precided over the worst terrorist attack in USA history and his reaction to it has made us weaker in many many ways. Fear and weakness is a lot of what defined Mr. Bush

:clapping:

Deadshow Dan

01-21-2009, 10:25 AM

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/216000/january-19-2009/tribute-to-the-bush-administration---christine-ebersole

Terry Bo Berry

01-21-2009, 10:36 AM

thank you, george, for an unnecessary war in iraq that has killed 4,228 U.S. men and women and forever destroyed the lives of those who loved them

thanks again :heart:

Hey, that's what I was gonna write!! :heart:

Chip

01-21-2009, 10:38 AM

Thanks for fucking up my country and calling my Patriotism into question, fucktard.

bast

01-21-2009, 10:39 AM

He's just a man. I man from a very long lineage of men who believe in what they believe in. I wish him and his family nothing but the best. He was doing what men like him have always done. For many years, it worked. We have evolved as a country into something that requires a different approach.

I thank him for another peaceful transition of power.

Jesse D

01-21-2009, 10:53 AM

Thanks for fucking up my country and calling my Patriotism into question, fucktard.

:rotf: 1 of the best posts EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :Phishfolk:

stilltruckin

01-21-2009, 11:00 AM

My thank you to W: (visualize shoe)

THIS IS YOUR FAREWELL KISS, YOU DOG!

staggerlee024

01-21-2009, 01:22 PM

WHY IS THIS THREAD ALLOWED IN THE "FAMILY" FORUM?

B. Diddy

01-21-2009, 01:24 PM

mule64 : Bush :: Piranha : Coventry

FellowTraveler

01-21-2009, 01:59 PM

thank you for being the puppet you were
and letting your administration run the country for you

Arglebargle

01-21-2009, 02:05 PM

Haha charade you are.

cassady

01-21-2009, 03:51 PM

mule64

01-21-2009, 04:30 PM

[QUOTE=mule64;45955]I did not start this to stir shit. Just because you and so many others choose to hate everything about the man and can not see any good (or admit to it) in an 8 year presidency that had low unemployment (until 6 months ago), high job growth, low interest rates, and relative safety after 911, is not my fault. There are millions of Americans who can see some positive aspects of his terms. Yes there are negatives and yes many people should be upset. But to block out any good from the past 8 years is just not right IMO.[/QUOTE

normally i don't respond to this sort of thread, but you have a line in this quote that MAKES ME WANT TO PUKE! i've been in manufacturing for damn near 30 years, i've seen thousands of good paying jobs either eliminated or sent abroad in the last 8 years in MY industry. when skilled workers tried to bring this fact to the bush administration's attention, they countered with classifying fast food workers as manufacturing so it would appear the manufacturing industry was HIRING! please, check YOUR facts before spouting off all that FOX news crap! and by the way, i mean NO offense to anyone working in a fast food resturant, i worked@ Mcdonalds for a while out of hs. if i remember correctly, i learned how to "manufacture" a big mac in about 10 minutes. I APPRENTISED FOR 4 YEARS TO BECOME A TOOLMAKER!

I never said all was rosy, far from it. I do not agree with jobs going overseas. But, maybe you should check your facts before spouting off dude, 2,866,000 million net jobs were created from 2001-2008, that is NET jobs. So maybe the words "high job growth" were chosen poorly. It is still growth, maybe not as much as Clinton. I am sorry your industry is losing jobs, maybe that can change. SO I did check my facts pal, its not FOX news crap. My point here was not everything is as bad as people here are whining about. But folks can not see through the red hot hatred of Bush to see any good at all, and I think that is wrong, IMO. So please do not jump all over me because I can see a little good in the past 8 years.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200812090014

DJ Easy Wind

01-21-2009, 11:44 PM

Clinton get a lot of blame for that, even though you will not admit it. If the CIA had not been gutted by Clinton, they would have caught Alquaida growing so much so fast.

Mule64,

the time has come to stop listening to Rush and Hannity. Do your homework before you speak. i suggest you watch this compelling and fascinating documentary that shows The Bush administration thwarted Clinton's top man on counter-terrorism. John O'Neil was the first western intelligence officer to identify Osama, and discovered the money trail that led to al qaeda. Watch this and then tell us what you think...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/view/

DifferentDrummer

01-22-2009, 12:17 AM

Mule64,

the time has come to stop listening to Rush and Hannity.

SERIUOSLY.

guy sounds like stephen colbert, minus the satire.

TourmalineDream

01-22-2009, 12:20 AM

I'm not thanking that piece of sh*t for anything, kthx! :funny1:

deadheadskier

01-22-2009, 07:51 AM

There is very good reason why Bush has had the lowest public approval rating of any president in history.

If they tracked international approval rating I'm sure his would be even lower there. As the face of this country, he has been the worst diplomat I've seen in my life time; a down right embarrassment. While I won't place the blame for the economic mess were in now solely on Bush; I will place the blame of our standing in the international community directly on him.

Iggy pup

01-22-2009, 04:51 PM

The title of this thread makes me want to vomit.

carry on
didn'tyou vote for him twice

Jabadoodle

01-23-2009, 12:31 PM

There hasn't been a terrorist attack on US soil for the 7 years since 2001.

But there also hadn't been a terrorist attack on US soil in the 7 years before 2001.

The threat of an attack didn't increase on 9/11, only our awareness of it.

I'm glad the administration under Bush did it's job.

neon tetra

01-23-2009, 12:33 PM

thank you mr. bush.

not only for the attacks on 9/11, but for making the world hate us even more & thus increasing the chances of more attacks in the future.

syd_25

01-23-2009, 02:59 PM

I owe Former President Bush nothing. The list of what I think he owes me (as a tax payer and citizen) is too long to list here.

Iggy pup

01-25-2009, 01:18 PM

peace

seany

01-25-2009, 01:43 PM

mule64 : Bush :: Piranha : Coventry

:rotf:

Blendix 007

01-25-2009, 04:55 PM

[QUOTE=mule64;45955]I did not start this to stir shit. Just because you and so many others choose to hate everything about the man and can not see any good (or admit to it) in an 8 year presidency that had low unemployment (until 6 months ago), high job growth, low interest rates, and relative safety after 911, is not my fault. There are millions of Americans who can see some positive aspects of his terms. Yes there are negatives and yes many people should be upset. But to block out any good from the past 8 years is just not right IMO.[/QUOTE

normally i don't respond to this sort of thread, but you have a line in this quote that MAKES ME WANT TO PUKE! i've been in manufacturing for damn near 30 years, i've seen thousands of good paying jobs either eliminated or sent abroad in the last 8 years in MY industry. when skilled workers tried to bring this fact to the bush administration's attention, they countered with classifying fast food workers as manufacturing so it would appear the manufacturing industry was HIRING! please, check YOUR facts before spouting off all that FOX news crap! and by the way, i mean NO offense to anyone working in a fast food resturant, i worked@ Mcdonalds for a while out of hs. if i remember correctly, i learned how to "manufacture" a big mac in about 10 minutes. I APPRENTISED FOR 4 YEARS TO BECOME A TOOLMAKER!

Maybe you ought have spent 4 years on historical education instead, if you choose to blame the loss of manufacturing jobs, that started after WWII, on Bush.

Perhaps it's our strict regulation, high wages and ridiculous corporate tax rate that drives the cost of doing business in this country sky high and thus pushing jobs out. None of which was a function of the Bush administration. Just a thought.

Those of you intent on blaming Bush for throwing the constitution to the wind are all FDR and Wilson fans, no doubt. Those 2 Presidents robbed more freedom from the American people than the last 4 combined.

Here is some CSPAN footage for those of you intent on blaming this banking slump on Bush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL36nwCSYUM

Absolutley nothing wrong with the two GSE's we bailed out and are now asking for more money from taxpayers.

cybertentbob

01-26-2009, 11:40 AM

Whether you disagree with his policies, whether you disagree with Iraq, Gitmo, international wiretaps, whatever else...whether you totally hate him..... we all owe him a thank you for his efforts in not having another terrorist attack on our soil. I hope and pray Obama can say the same thing when he leaves office in 8 years.
He is owed nothing but a fair trial.
You amaze me mule...You care not about the who notion of government for the people by the people,The upholding of the constitution or compitent people in office.
You whine about Obamas performance of the last week while pretending that the calamity now making us vunerable(Bush policies)to attack by real ememies....Bush is responsible for ignoring the previous administrations warnings on attacks....Any administration can keep its people "safe" by denying them their rights...Perhaps nutty conservatives like the hater Coulter and the anti-american Rush LimBLOW who wished the country failure are role models for you,If so your very misdirected in your logic.

cybertentbob

01-26-2009, 11:43 AM

Clinton get a lot of blame for that, even though you will not admit it. If the CIA had not been gutted by Clinton, they would have caught Alquaida growing so much so fast.
No amount of your whining will change reality..The Clinton team headed by Richard Clarke tried in vain to make Bush's whitehouse take action..But the Bush fratboys ignored everything the Clinton administration left for them..You like Shrub refuse to take any blame. sad...

mule64

01-26-2009, 12:27 PM

No amount of your whining will change reality..The Clinton team headed by Richard Clarke tried in vain to make Bush's whitehouse take action..But the Bush fratboys ignored everything the Clinton administration left for them..You like Shrub refuse to take any blame. sad...

It makes me laugh that you always blame repubs/Bush and never take/put any responsibility on Clinton/Dems. At the same time, I find that very sad also. Your thinking is flawed.
Complaining about Obama after only one week is justified. He spoke about transparency and clean govt and it is far from that. He says one thing, does another. To sit here and say there are no double standards going on is silly. I do not like the direction things are going, so I am going to complain. After listening to all the whining and crying here the last few years, I am surprised by peoples reactions to Obama criticism. I think the stimulus package sucks, even the congressional accounting office agrees with that. He is going to hurt this country a lot more than help it.

cassady

01-26-2009, 02:25 PM

[quote=cassady;46732]

Maybe you ought have spent 4 years on historical education instead, if you choose to blame the loss of manufacturing jobs, that started after WWII, on Bush.

Perhaps it's our strict regulation, high wages and ridiculous corporate tax rate that drives the cost of doing business in this country sky high and thus pushing jobs out. None of which was a function of the Bush administration. Just a thought.

Those of you intent on blaming Bush for throwing the constitution to the wind are all FDR and Wilson fans, no doubt. Those 2 Presidents robbed more freedom from the American people than the last 4 combined.

Here is some CSPAN footage for those of you intent on blaming this banking slump on Bush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL36nwCSYUM

Absolutley nothing wrong with the two GSE's we bailed out and are now asking for more money from taxpayers.

not blaming it ALL on bush! for the record i KNOW we started losing manufacturing jobs after WWII. i'm IN manufacturing! i KNOW about deming training the japanese. i am also a skilled, highly paid toolmaker and not so sure how much 4 years of history pays in comparison to what i earn. however, de-regulation HAS driven jobs out of this country. I LIVE THAT FACT! i don't want to go rounds with you blendix, i respect YOUR opinion. i will NOT listen to mule64 thanking a guy that classified fast food workers "manufacturing"! that is all!

mule64

01-26-2009, 03:27 PM

I never said thank Bush for job classification, I never said everyhting in the 8 years was good or rosy, I did not agree with a lot of things. Dismissing all aspects of his administration and not seeing any good from those years is not right IMO. People can throw out at me any negative aspects of Republican Presidency they want or believe in, but to dismiss any positives or claim everything Bush did was negative, or blame all current problems on Bush is being disingenuous.

DifferentDrummer

01-26-2009, 03:45 PM

the man is the Worst president we've ever had.

and you thanking him just proves your ignorance.

mule64

01-26-2009, 03:47 PM

the man is the Worst president we've ever had.

and you thanking him just proves your ignorance.
not admitting there was any good in his administration shows your ignorance.

DifferentDrummer

01-26-2009, 03:50 PM

dude, hitler painted a few decent pictures.

doesn't mean i'm gonna go thanking him.

mule64

01-26-2009, 03:55 PM

dude, hitler painted a few decent pictures.

doesn't mean i'm gonna go thanking him.
comparing Bush to Hitler is just so wrong.

mule64

01-26-2009, 03:58 PM

Different Drummer, do you believe everything about that Presidency was negative? He may be the worst President ever, but my point is not everything about it is negative.

cybertentbob

01-26-2009, 04:05 PM

comparing Bush to Hitler is just so wrong.
I agree Hitler was evil Bush was just intentionally ignorant.

I would credit Bush for something good he did however any good he might have done I have seen no sign.
please dear Mule enlighten us on the legacy of Bush...Torture?
lots of children left behind?(by his administration destroying public educationon purpose)..."faith"based propoganda...what did this pathetic figure leave the american people after his tenure mule?
he left one big mess thats what......please oh please tell us what this man did in 8 years!

mule64

01-26-2009, 04:10 PM

DifferentDrummer

01-26-2009, 04:21 PM

shit with sugar on top still tastes like shit.

and bush didn't even really bother w/ the sugar.

Arglebargle

01-27-2009, 11:37 AM

china cat

01-27-2009, 03:43 PM

didn'tyou vote for him twice

now, iggy, you should know i've already publicly apologized for my sins. i still haven't completed my penance though. what can I do to make it up to ya'll :lol:

Blendix 007

01-28-2009, 06:26 PM

Actually, there was an anthrax attack via the US mail, and a couple of snipers in the DC area.
Don't forget the OKC bombing, 6 years prior to 9/11.

Me and Richard Pryor

01-28-2009, 10:41 PM

no matter what I say, it will be dismissed with snide comments by you supposed smart folks. I give up. it drives me nuts that you can not agree that there was some good. I have never said it was all good, that being said, I GIVE UP.

Trying to prove that some policies "protected" us simply by qualifying a negative, really doesn't make it true.

How many threats did we knowingly thwart? Besides Ft.Dix....when did we actually prevent anything....?

And the thought of "we took the war to them" doesn't count...we didn't take a war to the nations that the 9/11 assfucks came from...we fought a different front...

Remember, there is a difference between terrorists and insurgents...

Besides...even if you believe Bush's policies actually prevented something....that's only one check in the positive column that is overshadowed with many in the negative...

Poor job done...no thank you.

PeaceFrog

01-31-2009, 01:35 PM

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Bush is a broken clock, and your obsessive need to defend him confuses me.

DifferentDrummer

01-31-2009, 01:40 PM

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Bush is a broken clock, and your obsessive need to defend him confuses me.

it's little more than sports-team mentality.