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Joker
01-20-2009, 12:24 PM
On many issues, including gay marriage and the Mideast, his backers seem to have just assumed he didn't mean all those things he said on the campaign trail.

By Jonah Goldberg
January 18, 2009


Presidential inaugurations are in many ways the high-water marks of any presidency because they're so full of hope. All things seem possible. The rivalries and backbiting haven't set in yet, at least not publicly. Even the inevitable disappointments over Cabinet picks and White House staffing are tempered by the wide-eyed dreams of an ambitious agenda. Everyone -- or at least everyone who backed the guy -- has that "we can make this the best yearbook ever!" feeling.

Then comes the letdown. No, I don't mean Barack Obama will be a failed president. But even the most successful presidents bitterly disappoint some people, usually some of their biggest supporters. Indeed, they can only disappoint supporters because disappointment first requires confidence and hope. Those who voted against Obama can either have their low expectations fulfilled or be pleasantly surprised.



Many conservatives, for example, had hoped that George W. Bush's "compassionate conservatism" was simply a marketing slogan. They were dismayed to discover he really meant it. In the 1980s, Republican factions were deeply divided in the "let Reagan be Reagan" debates. Everyone heard what they wanted to hear during the campaign and expected the man's presidency to jibe perfectly with their expectations.

Obama's ideological compass is far more difficult to discern than Reagan's or Bush's were. This is why his conservative detractors often called him a cipher. Obama's supporters rolled their eyes despite producing often-contradictory evidence to rebut the charge.

This raises perhaps the most interesting question of the Obama presidency: "What wasn't Barack Obama lying about?"


I don't mean this to be as harsh as it sounds. I'm not talking about what his conservative critics said he was lying about -- say, the true nature of his relationship with William Ayers. I'm talking about issues where his own supporters seem to have just assumed he had his fingers crossed.

Consider, for example, the controversy swirling around pastor Rick Warren, invited to deliver the invocation at the inaugural. The choice is controversial because Warren, while something of a moderate in the evangelical world, is a blackhearted villain among gay-rights activists for his support of Proposition 8 in California, which successfully proscribed same-sex marriage.

The interesting thing is that throughout the campaign, Obama and Joe Biden took the exact same position as Warren on gay marriage. And yet, gays overwhelmingly supported Obama (and Democrats generally) but consider Warren a slap in the face of the first order. When you ask gay activists and liberal strategists about this sort of thing, their response might be: "It's OK because we know they're lying." They insist that when it's politically feasible, "Obama and the Democratic Party will be there for us."

That's one reason why the Warren appearance is so offensive to activists: It conjures the frightening possibility that Obama's election posturing wasn't posturing but rather (gasp!) his actual position.

Over the interminably long campaign, Obama's positions "evolved" to suit his political needs. This is hardly extraordinary. Pretty much every successful presidential candidate embarks on a similar ideological migration. Indeed, Obama's campaign was in some ways remarkable for how little he tacked to the right in the general election.

But it was also remarkable for how honest Obama could be about his dishonesty. When his past statements on NAFTA ("devastating" and "a big mistake") became inconvenient, he shrugged: "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified." His own economic advisor, Austan Goolsbee, had already told Canadian officials not to worry about Obama's pledge to unilaterally "renegotiate" the North American Free Trade Agreement; it was all campaign boob-bait.

Some on the left are worried that Obama's previously staunch antiwar position was smoke and mirrors as well. Obama has retained Bush's secretary of Defense and has surrounded himself with supporters of the war, including his vice president and secretary of State.

On Israel, the left had good reason to believe Obama was their guy. One of Obama's closest friends is Rashid Khalidi, an unofficial Palestinian spokesman and left-wing academic. Early in the campaign, many perceived Obama to be taking a pro-Palestinian line when he said that "nobody has suffered more than the Palestinian people." As the campaign wore on, he sounded increasingly pro-Israel, particularly during a hawkish speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. In July, during a visit to the Hamas-besieged city of Sderot, Obama told reporters, "If somebody was sending rockets into my house, where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that." And, he added, "I would expect Israelis to do the same thing." In short, Obama placated Israel supporters without alienating critics of Israel.

But that's precisely the sort of thing you can pull off when you're simply running for president, particularly when your eloquence is only outmatched by the willingness of your supporters and the media to accept whatever you need to say to get elected. But when you're actually the "decider," splitting the differences becomes much more difficult. That's why we have that saying: "To govern is to choose." It will be in his choices that we will know the man.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-na-inaug-goldberg18-2009jan18,0,1057645.story

Chip
01-20-2009, 02:00 PM
You can't please everyone.

TEO
01-20-2009, 02:02 PM
How many people do you know, that live up to everything they say?

gregoir
01-20-2009, 02:03 PM
Can't you just let people think positive for one day.

Jack Straw
01-20-2009, 02:04 PM
:yawn:

alsoa
01-20-2009, 02:26 PM
Can't you just let people think positive for one day.

:clapping:

unbroken_chain
01-20-2009, 03:09 PM
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Jabadoodle
01-20-2009, 03:09 PM
I didn't read your long article. But the way I look at it...
* A letdown is possible for me, but far from inevitable.
* I don't expect he will be able to do everything he wanted to.
* But I don't think that means that I "just assumed he didn't mean" them.

I think he promised to try to do a lot of things. And I think he will try to do those things. I think he will succeed at many of them. I think he will fail at others.

Some things he will fail at because of obstructionism. Some because of honest differences of opinion. Some because times will change. Some because they just weren't possible, at least not at this time.

As a well know saying goes, "May your reach exceed your grasp." President Obama is reaching for great things. Not all will be obtained. But even the act of reaching is a positive step.

http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/we-are-all-in-the-gutter-but-some-of-us-are-looking-at-the-stars-59682.jpg

BHB
01-27-2009, 12:15 PM
<--- not letdown yet :)

gregoir
01-27-2009, 12:53 PM
So far so good. Better than McCain no matter what. You can't have a man as president that is too old to get an erection.

wookie luvvah
01-27-2009, 12:56 PM
Happy so far!

Sunshower
01-27-2009, 12:57 PM
He is HUMAN, but unlike our previous lea (oh FUCK IT I CANNOT CALL THAT MAN A LEADER), he HAS a brain and obviously can USE it!:funny1::clapping:

Phishfolk
01-27-2009, 01:00 PM
So far so good. Better than McCain no matter what. You can't have a man as president that is too old to get an erection.

I'm guessing you would feel pretty much the same way no matter who the republican was that ran against now matter who the democrat was...

I may just be making an ass out of me and umtion though.

gregoir
01-27-2009, 01:05 PM
I'm guessing you would feel pretty much the same way no matter who the republican was that ran against now matter who the democrat was...

I may just be making an ass out of me and umtion though.

No I believe some Republicans can get erections. They reproduce somehow. Also I am a Socialist but am registered as a Democrat.

Uffs79
01-27-2009, 01:10 PM
I didn't read your long article. But the way I look at it...
* A letdown is possible for me, but far from inevitable.
* I don't expect he will be able to do everything he wanted to.
* But I don't think that means that I "just assumed he didn't mean" them.

I think he promised to try to do a lot of things. And I think he will try to do those things. I think he will succeed at many of them. I think he will fail at others.

Some things he will fail at because of obstructionism. Some because of honest differences of opinion. Some because times will change. Some because they just weren't possible, at least not at this time.

As a well know saying goes, "May your reach exceed your grasp." President Obama is reaching for great things. Not all will be obtained. But even the act of reaching is a positive step.

http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/we-are-all-in-the-gutter-but-some-of-us-are-looking-at-the-stars-59682.jpg

Q4T!!

Deadshow Dan
01-27-2009, 01:33 PM
Proud of our new President.

As I had lower expectations, instead of experiencing a letdown I am experiencing a lifting of spirits.

I was more excited about the horrible criminal reginme leaving than the Obama administration coming in. But I am starting to think Obama will actually get some stuff done.

He's already done well.

Sunshower
01-27-2009, 02:02 PM
Right ON, Dan!:V:

BHB
01-27-2009, 02:32 PM
So far so good. Better than McCain no matter what. You can't have a man as president that is too old to get an erection.

:lol:

scottvibes
01-27-2009, 02:32 PM
Joker,

Can you please just insert a link to the original story? Why do you have to cut a paste to whole story into the forum? Are you capable of giving your own opinion on the topic, rather than just regurgitating a third parties opinion? :joker:

Joker
01-27-2009, 05:34 PM
Joker,

Can you please just insert a link to the original story? I suppose I could. Does it really make a difference? Why do you have to cut a paste to whole story into the forum? I don't have to, I choose to. I think it makes it easier for others who might be interested. Are you capable of giving your own opinion on the topic, rather than just regurgitating a third parties opinion? :joker: Yes

mule64
01-27-2009, 10:15 PM
ignore any issues you have, at least its not Bush LOL

DifferentDrummer
01-27-2009, 11:24 PM
at least its not Bush LOL


:rose:

deadheadskier
01-28-2009, 12:10 AM
There is very little too judge. He hasn't been in office ten days yet. What's too expect? The only judgment I have is that he seems like a calm, intelligent, humble man who is looking for solutions to what ails us both domestically and internationally.

That said, you really can't score him until some of his proposed policies are put in place and given time to see if they succeed or fail.

Phishfolk
01-28-2009, 10:12 AM
From what I'm seeing so far it's still going to be the Democratic congress that fails us anyway.

Joker
01-28-2009, 10:15 AM
There is very little too judge. He hasn't been in office ten days yet. What's too expect? The only judgment I have is that he seems like a calm, intelligent, humble man who is looking for solutions to what ails us both domestically and internationally.

That said, you really can't score him until some of his proposed policies are put in place and given time to see if they succeed or fail.

He's already broken at least one campaign promise.

When he vowed there's no room for lobbyists on his staff and then turned around and specifically made room on his staff for a lobbyist, he opened the scoring book.

deadheadskier
01-28-2009, 11:39 AM
He's already broken at least one campaign promise.

When he vowed there's no room for lobbyists on his staff and then turned around and specifically made room on his staff for a lobbyist, he opened the scoring book.

While I won't argue the truth in what you're saying and that it wasn't the best hiring decision based on his campaign promises, I'm also not that worried about a pea falling off the dinner plate. If you want to split peas, go for it. I'm more concerned with the meat...his policies and how they either improve things or fail.

The meat isn't even in the oven yet is what I'm saying....

Phishfolk
01-28-2009, 12:14 PM
Meat belongs on the grill not in the oven. Unless you're making meatloaf. Is that really what you want? Meatloaf? I want a ribeye ;)

SunshineDrummer
01-28-2009, 12:35 PM
My meatloaf rocks. Its no ribeye, but its pretty damn tasty. :jamguy:

deadheadskier
01-28-2009, 12:41 PM
Meat belongs on the grill not in the oven. Unless you're making meatloaf. Is that really what you want? Meatloaf? I want a ribeye ;)

Stand down mister, you're dealing with a meat specialist here.

I can braise some short ribs in the oven that would blow away the most tender, flavorful ribeye you've ever had ;)

Phishfolk
01-28-2009, 12:50 PM
I would like to take you up on that challenge sometime ;) BTW what kind of peas are we talking about here? Just plain peas or are we talking mushrooms and onions too? What about the potatoes? I prefer cheesy garlic with gravy :D

Nevrmore
01-28-2009, 12:51 PM
arent' you diabetic? :huh:

Phishfolk
01-28-2009, 12:55 PM
diabetics eat too. I'm the needle kind not the no carbs kind :)

Nevrmore
01-28-2009, 12:58 PM
ah, gotcha! :D

deadheadskier
01-28-2009, 01:08 PM
I would like to take you up on that challenge sometime ;) BTW what kind of peas are we talking about here? Just plain peas or are we talking mushrooms and onions too? What about the potatoes? I prefer cheesy garlic with gravy :D

actually the last potatoes I made with short ribs were blue cheese hash potatoes

no peas though, not into them in Politics or on my dinner plate :lol:

oh and not gravy perse, but a clarified braising liquid and tasso ham reduction

SunshineDrummer
01-28-2009, 01:15 PM
Hey! Take it to the Food Forum, you two! :joker:

deadheadskier
01-28-2009, 01:19 PM
Hey! Take it to the Food Forum, you two! :joker:

:popcorn1:


:lol:

Nevrmore
01-28-2009, 01:22 PM
Hey! Take it to the Food Forum, you two! :joker:


if they have a few glasses of wine with dinner, you might have to move it to L&S :eek:

:V:

Phishfolk
01-28-2009, 01:22 PM
This thread can go on a forum tour :lol:

deadheadskier
01-28-2009, 01:26 PM
if they have a few glasses of wine with dinner, you might have to move it to L&S :eek:

:V:

No booze.....the wharf rats couldn't participate then


One things for certain though, I think Obama likes the Red Sox more than the Mets

:lol:

SunshineDrummer
01-28-2009, 01:28 PM
One things for certain though, I think Obama likes the Red Sox more than the Mets

:lol:

:ravn:

Phishfolk
01-28-2009, 01:32 PM
One things for certain though, I think Obama likes the Red Sox more than the Mets

:lol:

Yeah but he's probably a Phillies fan...this year :lol:

SunshineDrummer
01-28-2009, 01:35 PM
Yeah but he's probably a Phillies fan...this year :lol:

And you get a :ravn: for that one!

But I'll bet he's not a Yankee fan. :wink:

deadheadskier
01-28-2009, 01:49 PM
Yeah but he's probably a Phillies fan...this year :lol:

Joker's right, definitely a post inauguration letdown if Obama is a Phillies fan. I'll have to withdraw my support for the Prez until the next World Series has been decided.

Phishfolk
01-28-2009, 02:08 PM
But I'll bet he's not a Yankee fan. :wink:

Not until they win again :funny1:

Arglebargle
01-28-2009, 04:43 PM
Gates: Missiles Strikes in Pakistan Will Continue
Defense Secretary Says Pakistan Has Been Informed of the Decision

Posted January 27, 2009

US drones loomed large in the skies over North Waziristan today, flying over villages and sewing panic in a region which has seen scores of residents killed in attacks by those drones over the past few months. On Friday similar drones killed 22 people, including several children.

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates told the Senate today that it is the Obama Administration’s intention to continue the attacks, in spite of the repeatedly objection of the Pakistani government. When asked, Gates also confirmed that the Pakistani government had been informed of the plan to continue the attacks.

The government has refused to comment directly on its individual attacks, but officials seem almost universal in their agreement that the Bush era practice of unilateral strikes on the territory of an ally should continue, no matter how much relations with that ally are harmed by them.

mule64
01-28-2009, 05:54 PM
Obama is ariraiding villages and bombing civillians? OMG, this mad man must be stopped. Come on people, its time to protest:lol:

seany
01-28-2009, 06:13 PM
Obama is ariraiding villages and bombing civillians? OMG, this mad man must be stopped. Come on people, its time to protest:lol:

We're holding off on the protests just to get under the skin of the last 20% of the population that are Bush apologists :wink:

Arglebargle
01-29-2009, 01:23 PM
And while we're at it:

Moses Mercado joined the Barack Obama presidential campaign team and already he's making waves.

The waves are being generated by Mercado's other line of work -- as a lobbyist with Ogilvy Government Relations who is registered to represent several dozen big-name clients, including the National Rifle Association, the Carlyle Group, the Blackstone Group, Monsanto, Pfizer Inc., United Health Group, Sempra Energy and Constellation Energy.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/09/28/mer...

and...

Six Reasons Why Obama Appointing Monsanto's Buddy, Former Iowa Governor Vilsack, for USDA Head Would be a Terrible Idea

* Organic Consumers Association, November 12, 2008
Straight to the Source

TAKE ACTION TO STOP VILSACK'S CONFIRMATION

* Former Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack's support of genetically engineered pharmaceutical crops, especially pharmaceutical corn:
http://www.gene.ch/genet/2002/Oct/msg00057.html
http://www.organicconsumers.org/gefood/drugsincorn102302.cfm

* The biggest biotechnology industry group, the Biotechnology Industry Organization, named Vilsack Governor of the Year. He was also the founder and former chair of the Governor's Biotechnology Partnership.
http://www.bio.org/news/pressreleases/newsitem.asp?id=200...

* When Vilsack created the Iowa Values Fund, his first poster child of economic development potential was Trans Ova and their pursuit of cloning dairy cows.

* Vilsack was the origin of the seed pre-emption bill in 2005, which many people here in Iowa fought because it took away local government's possibility of ever having a regulation on seeds- where GE would be grown, having GE-free buffers, banning pharma corn locally, etc. Representative Sandy Greiner, the Republican sponsor of the bill, bragged on the House Floor that Vilsack put her up to it right after his state of the state address.

* Vilsack has a glowing reputation as being a schill for agribusiness biotech giants like Monsanto. Sustainable ag advocated across the country were spreading the word of Vilsack's history as he was attempting to appeal to voters in his presidential bid. An activist from the west coast even made this youtube animation about Vilsack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmoc4Qgcm4s
The airplane in this animation is a referral to the controversy that Vilsack often traveled in Monsanto's jet.

*Vilsack is an ardent support of corn and soy based biofuels, which use as much or more fossil energy to produce them as they generate, while driving up world food prices and literally starving the poor.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_15573.cfm

Joker
11-19-2011, 02:51 PM
Who would have thought it would turn out like it has :undecided:

PeaceFrog
11-19-2011, 03:11 PM
:lol: