Should Hamas use human shields?

[Deadshow Dan]

http://www.jerusalemonline.com/flash/4israel42.swf

[Deadshow Dan]

Hamas admitting it uses human shields

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs

[Deadshow Dan]

More proof of the use of human shields

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBYtij4Q7sE

[peloquin17]

are these alive humans, or dead humans?

[Prometheus]

Are you kidding me? Is that a serious question?

[SunshineDrummer]

Dan, what are you trying to accomplish with this thread? Or are you just in the mood to stir the p.ot today?

[Mr_Pat]

Every one whould have a human shield...

[peloquin17]

Are you kidding me? Is that a serious question?

yes it is. i didnt watch the clips.

[TEO]

Should any human put another in harms way for their own gain? What if they are convinced it is for a greater good?

Personally, I don't think a human should harm another, or knowingly put another in harms way.

If there is no one shooting, then the shield would remain unharmed.
How many wrongs does it take to make a right?

[sarah b.]

Regardless of the flag people fly, seeing people put others' lives in jeopardy on purpose is at the very least, incredibly disturbing, imo.

I wish this were on P&R, rather than here. Not that it's not an issue that affects the family of humanity as a whole. But it's very horrifying, and I really would hate to see the family board spackled with such thread content on a regular basis. I realize some will disagree with me. I'm not any less aware of how awful things are over there if I don't see threads about it on the family board. Sorry, Dan. I regard this as an inch/mile issue. No vibeguides were PMed. I can make my points in public.

[Deadshow Dan]

I wish this were on P&R, rather than here. Not that it's not an issue that affects the family of humanity as a whole. But it's very horrifying, and I really would hate to see the family board spackled with such thread content on a regular basis. I realize some will disagree with me. I'm not any less aware of how awful things are over there if I don't see threads about it on the family board.

Your wish is the VG's command.

I've no problem with that.

[In A Silent Way]

Of course they should. Achieving martyrdom is the crowning achievement of civilization, and besides, anything goes when fighting the infidel.

[sarah b.]

Your wish is the VG's command.

I've no problem with that.

That's hilarious. :rotf: <-- I've never used that emoticon before.

Is bob k still a vibeguide? Maybe I can get engineer this year's vibes lineup a bit, while I'm at it.

[Prometheus]

yes it is. i didnt watch the clips.

I didn't either. I was mostly referring to the question of the original post, although using corpses as shields would not be very effective, anyhow.

[Joker]

Dan, what are you trying to accomplish with this thread? Or are you just in the mood to stir the p.ot today?
He accomplished exactly what he wanted :lol:

And as far as the question posed, no they shouldn't, just as Israel shouldn't

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq57XK2L0A

[cybertentbob]

Dan, what are you trying to accomplish with this thread? Or are you just in the mood to stir the p.ot today?
why is this starting shit? it's fact.they are proud of it. very sad and messed up folks....

[Joker]

why is this starting shit? Because it was only posted in order to stir shit up and get this thread moved from the other forum :wink:

http://gatheringofthevibes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2022

Some people just seem to want to control what others see, hear and discuss as much as possible :undecided:

[cybertentbob]

unfortunatly from a military perspective both sides want to "win"
and also unfortunatly the truth as they say is the first casualty of war...I really beleive that all media should be allowed to cover wars..and show the gruesome results of killing for political goals ect.
Nowadays it's a matter of filtering the vast amount of good,bad and downright propoganda because of the overwhelming amount of info out there..And thats hard to do..now there always seems to be a pro for a con....

[cybertentbob]

"Some people just seem to want to control what others see, hear and discuss as much as possible "
I hope ya didnt mean me! I just want folks to THINK about stuff;-)

[Joker]

"Some people just seem to want to control what others see, hear and discuss as much as possible "
I hope ya didnt mean me! I just want folks to THINK about stuff;-)Not at all. It's obvious you're willing to hear what people are saying, you may not listen to it but you're willing to hear it :lol:

[Deadshow Dan]

Because it was only posted in order to stir shit up and get this thread moved from the other forum :wink:

:funny1:

if you say so

[cybertentbob]

Not at all. It's obvious you're willing to hear what people are saying, you may not listen to it but you're willing to hear it :lol:
debating the past administrations disasters are fruitless at this point joker. History has and will continue to agree with my position about these criminals called the G.O.P.
Thats why they lost . As for this thread: what kind of government uses it's people as human sheilds??? And what kind of populace LET'S them?

[Joker]

debating the past administrations disasters are fruitless at this point joker. History has and will continue to agree with my position about these criminals called the G.O.P.
Thats why they lost . As for this thread: what kind of government uses it's people as human sheilds??? And what kind of populace LET'S them?

A terrorist government and a populace that lives in fear?

Now as for the Israeli army's use of children as human shields I have no answer to why a supposedly civilized country would continually allow their army to do such a thing.

[cybertentbob]

A terrorist government and a populace that lives in fear?

Now as for the Israeli army's use of children as human shields I have no answer to why a supposedly civilized country would continually allow their army to do such a thing.um Joker? I thought you were enlightened enough to understand that Israel cares about its citizens.
Israel does not use its children as human shields or as human bombs as the arabs do.
They have been the only side to want and persue peace...Have you EVER heard any of the Arab states do anything other than supply arms to the Palestinians?
There is no reasonable defense of their tactics. Yet You rail about the horrible Israeli "aggressors" yet when it comes to extending the olive branch of peace..The Palestinian line has always been about getting Israel back from the jews. end of story.
Again the palestinians have little interest in peace or for that matter prosperity....They have proven themselves completely ungovernable and a haven for terrorists.

[Joker]

um Joker? I thought you were enlightened enough to understand that Israel cares about its citizens.
Israel does not use its children as human shields or as human bombs as the arabs do.
They have been the only side to want and persue peace...Have you EVER heard any of the Arab states do anything other than supply arms to the Palestinians?
There is no reasonable defense of their tactics. Yet You rail about the horrible Israeli "aggressors" yet when it comes to extending the olive branch of peace..The Palestinian line has always been about getting Israel back from the jews. end of story.
Again the palestinians have little interest in peace or for that matter prosperity....They have proven themselves completely ungovernable and a haven for terrorists.Yes I know Israel cares about it's citizens (some more than others)

I also know the Israeli army has a history of using Palestinian children as human shields.

I also know you choose to use the terms Arabs and Palestinians where the word used should be Hamas

I also know there are many Palestinians that want peace

By their line always being about "getting Israel back from the jews" do you mean their seeking the right to return to their homes and their land?

I also know that less than half the Palestinians that voted, voted for Hamas.

These people are no more to blame for Hamas's actions than you are to blame for us invading Iraq.

Again, many Palestinians DO want peace and prosperity. However it seems to be a lot easier to lump them all together with the terrorists when one wants to defend Israel's sometimes horrific actions against innocent people.

[Mr_Pat]

I guess the Palestinians should have thought twice about attacking Israel...

[cybertentbob]

Yes I know Israel cares about it's citizens (some more than others)

I also know the Israeli army has a history of using Palestinian children as human shields.

I also know you choose to use the terms Arabs and Palestinians where the word used should be Hamas

I also know there are many Palestinians that want peace

By their line always being about "getting Israel back from the jews" do you mean their seeking the right to return to their homes and their land?

I also know that less than half the Palestinians that voted, voted for Hamas.

These people are no more to blame for Hamas's actions than you are to blame for us invading Iraq.

Again, many Palestinians DO want peace and prosperity. However it seems to be a lot easier to lump them all together with the terrorists when one wants to defend Israel's sometimes horrific actions against innocent people.

these many Palestinians? The only movements I see in the media are angry Arab/muslim crowds who seem to tacitly support Hamas....a terrorist organization...an ememy of our country btw.
As for "innocent"people..Gaza isnt being run by Israel..It being run by terrorists, who were elected thanks in part by our illustrious outgoing president! Many Israelies want peace too...but as you can see (2:57pm est) Hamas would rather let gaza burn rather than let Israel alone.
Joker.. What would happen if the rocket attacks were to stop....Hamas freed their people so borders and law and order could be established,followed by diplomacy................? Israel would then be "forced" (since you seem to think they have a choice here) to let "peace" happen.
Of course the one fact you tend to ignore is that the Palestinians do not want peace,they want Israel.