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Joker
01-13-2009, 09:49 AM
Israel's Propangada War: Reporters Banned From Gaza


Frustrated Reporters Locked Out of Gaza War Zone as Israel Scraps Plan to Allow Foreigners in


By ARTHUR MAX Associated Press Writer
EREZ CROSSING, Israel January 5, 2009 (AP)
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Israel scrapped arrangements Monday to allow the first foreign reporters into the Gaza Strip since the military launched its offensive against Palestinian militants, adding to mounting media frustration at being locked out of the war zone.
Israeli and foreign televison stations broadcast live from a hilltop overlooking the Gaza Strip late night January 5, 2009 near Israel's border with the Palestinian territory. Israel cancelled a deal earlier in the day to permit the first foreign reporters into the Gaza Strip since the IDF launched its offensive against Palestinian militants ten days ago, adding to mounting media frustration at being locked out of the war zone.

The ban on foreign media, which has been appealed to the Israeli Supreme Court, drew criticism from journalists that Israel is trying to manage the story.
Israel asserts that opening border crossings for journalists would endanger staff at the terminals, which have often been targeted by militants.


The Associated Press and some other news organizations have Palestinian reporters, photographers and cameramen based in Gaza. Many media have no reliable source of independent information.


"The barring of outside news organizations from Gaza hampers the flow of unbiased information of vital interest to the entire world. Authorities on all sides should work to allow access by journalists in keeping with the aims of press freedom," said John Daniszewski, the AP's managing editor for international news.


The Israeli government has long banned Israeli journalists from entering Gaza because of fears for their safety, but foreign reporters previously were permitted in, even during times of heavy fighting.


Human Rights Watch urged Israel to open Gaza to journalists and human rights monitors to report on the actions of both sides. "Their presence can discourage abuse by warring parties and help save lives," the New York-based organization said.
Some 350 reporters have descended on Israel since Dec. 27, when the military launched an intense air war aimed at halting rocket fire from Gaza. Those journalists bolstered a permanent foreign press corps of some 900 media personnel and hundreds more Israelis working for foreign companies.

"Israel has never restricted media access like this before, and it should be ashamed," said Ethan Bronner, The New York Times bureau chief in Jerusalem. "It's betraying the principles by which it claims to live."


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Deadshow Dan
01-13-2009, 09:58 AM
I think they should allow journalists in.

Joker, if you're consistent with your past position when US managed journalists, I'm sure you disagree.with me. But I can understand your position this time. It's a tough call.

Joker
01-13-2009, 10:45 AM
I think they should allow journalists in.

Joker, if you're consistent with your past position when US managed journalists, I'm sure you disagree.with me. But I can understand your position this time. It's a tough call.My position in the past? When have I ever said anything along the lines of the press should not be allowed to report or they shouldn't be allowed in war zones?

Prometheus
01-13-2009, 11:06 AM
Dan, You must be confusing Joker with new war correspondent, Joe The Dipshit.


http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/joe-plumberer-war-correspondent-says-

phishNtrips
01-13-2009, 11:09 AM
No they should be allowed to cover the war on the ground.

They're probably better off though as it appears the IDF is once again using incendiary bombs.

SunshineDrummer
01-13-2009, 11:11 AM
Not letting journalists in raises a red flag to me. I agree with the statement made in the article Joker posted that says it gives the appearance of Israel trying to manage what gets reported. Of course, its a pretty dangerous area to be in so I can understand a concern for safety. Its a very delicate balance that needs to be struck. I mean, what wins out? Concern for the personal safety of journalists? Their right to report the news? Our right to have it reported? Tough call.

Deadshow Dan
01-13-2009, 11:12 AM
My position in the past? When have I ever said anything along the lines of the press should not be allowed to report or they shouldn't be allowed in war zones?
During the early stages of the Iraq war your position was that the US government was correct in controlling totally journalist access to the theater. Allowing it when it want to in the manner it wanted to. Or not allowing at all. I believe you said the journalists should be happy to get any access at all.

Anyway, that is my recollection.

stubby
01-13-2009, 11:13 AM
Not letting journalists in raises a red flag to me. I agree with the statement made in the article Joker posted that says it gives the appearance of Israel trying to manage what gets reported.

Journalist have a history of getting killed in Gaza, and it ALWAYS makes the israeli gov't look bad.

Deadshow Dan
01-13-2009, 11:17 AM
Our right to have it reported?
I'd just point out that we have little rights in this manner.
The people of Israel and the people who live in Gaza may have rights in this. We here in the US... not so much.

SunshineDrummer
01-13-2009, 11:18 AM
Journalist have a history of getting killed in Gaza, and it ALWAYS makes the israeli gov't look bad.

I know, but the opposite of that could look bad as well (i.e. giving the appearance of managing what gets reported by resitricting journalists' access).

It kida strikes me as a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation for the Israeli government.

If they let journalists in and something happens, then they could be made to appear as if they have no concern for the safety of these journalisrs (even though I'd bet the journalists were willing ot take the risk of going in).

If they don't let anyone in, then they may open themselves up to criticism for restricting the press' ability to report and for managing what gets reported.

Just strike me as a potential no-win situation.

Prometheus
01-13-2009, 11:20 AM
Id just point out that we have little rights in this manner.
The people of Israel and the people who live in Gaza may have rights in this. We here in the US... not so much.


But they have the "right", no, the entitlement to boatloads of American money and blind allegiance? What a "special needs" predicament, if ever there was one...

SunshineDrummer
01-13-2009, 11:20 AM
Id just point out that we have little rights in this manner.
The people of Israel and the people who live in Gaza may have rights in this. We here in the US... not so much.

OK, then the Israelis' right to have it reported. Is that better? (I used "our" to mean people in general, not necessarily the US. I forget how specific I need to be around you.)

Deadshow Dan
01-13-2009, 11:40 AM
OK, then the Israelis' right to have it reported. Is that better? (I used "our" to mean people in general, not necessarily the US. I forget how specific I need to be around you.)
Hey you're the lawyer ;)

I'll add I pretty much agree with the rest of your post.

gregoir
01-13-2009, 12:00 PM
There should def be reporters there. No matter what your view is on these issues, we all have a right to be informed. especially when human rights are most likely being violated by both sides.

DifferentDrummer
01-13-2009, 12:07 PM
maybe israel should have 'embedded' journalists there to cover the story, that way they're in charge of what is seen.

it works for other terrorist nations like the u.s.

Joker
01-13-2009, 12:17 PM
During the early stages of the Iraq war your position was that the US government was correct in controlling totally journalist access to the theater. Allowing it when it want to in the manner it wanted to. Or not allowing at all. I believe you said the journalists should be happy to get any access at all.

Anyway, that is my recollection.Naturally your "recollection" is completely wrong. :wink:

sarah b.
01-13-2009, 01:01 PM
I didn't read the article, but I think journalists should be allowed into Gaza. They know they risk their lives entering a war zone. They're in a war zone in parts of Israel, too. Possibly having a rocket land on you isn't exactly Romper Room.

SunshineDrummer
01-13-2009, 05:54 PM
Hey you're the lawyer ;)


Not me. I just work for them. :)

cybertentbob
01-13-2009, 06:13 PM
But they have the "right", no, the entitlement to boatloads of American money and blind allegiance? What a "special needs" predicament, if ever there was one...
The United States gives money to allies and enemies....They give the Palestinians money too..except they(HAMAS) use it to fund people who want to attack YOU....

cybertentbob
01-13-2009, 06:15 PM
The United States gives money to allies and enemies....They give the Palestinians money too..except they(HAMAS) use it to fund people who want to attack YOU....
As for the question of this thread..The press SHOULD be allowed full access.

teabag
01-14-2009, 01:30 AM
no press in this world because they only point out there own AGENDA


proganda what is that a dumb down version of what the media wants the public to beleive


change drill baby drill change change change trillion fucking dollars




fuck the goverments of the world and the people who can not do for themselves. why is this our problem?

cybertentbob
01-14-2009, 08:12 AM
"why is this our problem?"
it's our problem because Israel is a NUCLEAR state,Because we need oil in our cars and an ally (Israel) who we can trust unlike the Arab/muslim world who encourage and finance terrorism against the United States.....

Joker
01-14-2009, 11:02 AM
Naturally your "recollection" is completely wrong. :wink:I take that back. I may have said I could understand their reasoning for doing it, which wouldn't make your recollection "completely" wrong