cost of liberalism

[teabag]

Leave it to the children to see reality through it all !

I was talking to a friend of mine's little girl, and she said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'


She replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'


'Wow - what a worthy goal,' I told her. 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food or a new house.'


She thought that over for a few seconds 'cause she's only 6. And while her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?'


And I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'



Her folks still aren't talking to me.:joker:

[cybertentbob]

why didnt you say the truth.."fuck the poor....It's their fault.. I mean
their not real americans ,like us and vice president Cheney and Sarah Palin!oh and that old guy...were republicans! We wrecked the chances of your generation to get ahead..But hey you can go into the SERVICE! shamless and blameless repubs...still blind to their hubris...

[teabag]

what makes you think they are not real americans
I am glad you want your tax money to be spent on people that don't put in any effort to better themselves
Will the government do everything for us
Dear Hussein Obama
I can't figure out how to wipe my ass will you come over here and wipe it for me with everyone elses tax dollars

[mule64]

why didnt you say the truth.."fuck the poor....It's their fault.. I mean
their not real americans ,like us and vice president Cheney and Sarah Palin!oh and that old guy...were republicans! We wrecked the chances of your generation to get ahead..But hey you can go into the SERVICE! shamless and blameless repubs...still blind to their hubris...


more cyberbob liberal bullshit

[Deadshow Dan]

'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?'


And I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'

The idea that poverty is caused by a bunch of lazy people who won't work is EXACTLY what the republican party is about, and it's just not true.

[cybertentbob]

what makes you think they are not real americans
I am glad you want your tax money to be spent on people that don't put in any effort to better themselves
Will the government do everything for us
Dear Hussein Obama
I can't figure out how to wipe my ass will you come over here and wipe it for me with everyone elses tax dollars

your so F***ked up.
if it werent for liberals such as F.D.R. (new deal) and L.B.J. (the great society America would NEVER have bounced back.Chances are YOUR parents used the G.I. bill for collage,got help from the government in some form.
What irks me about the republican party is their complete denial of how their policies have destroyed the middle class on purpose.
destroy the public school system..to privatize and "sanitize"it.
then blame the unions....

Mule64 perhaps you should get off your silly high horse and get real?

what is the purpose of government? Seems to me people governments role is to HELP
it's people be fed,clothed and educated and prosperous....
I love the way repubs whine about the "lazy" folks dont want to "better themselves" such bullshit! The " I got mine,fuck you" attitude of your republican ilk is what got America into this mess. GREED,narcisism and hubris that america can do no wrong..by ignorant folks who elected an imbicile. thanks Mule for you overwelming self pity.:rotf:

[mule64]

yeah Bob, its all Repubs fault, we are such bad folk while you Dems are the savior of the world. What ba crock of shit.

[cybertentbob]

At least we are realists..lookie what your prez bobblehead and darth cheney have got done....republicans the party of ostriches......p.s.
your not Bad just misdirected...perhaps we should give common sense pill to repubs to get their heads out of the sand..perhaps then you guys can work with the dems to bring back what bush has destroyed....

[syd_25]

yeah Bob, its all Repubs fault, we are such bad folk while you Dems are the savior of the world. What ba crock of shit.


Both parties are out there for themselves. Not the people they represent.

Sorry to interupt the pissing contest. Please watch your shoes.... :lol:

[Jesse D]

Both parties are out there for themselves. Not the people they represent.



Think I'd have to agree with you there!

[teabag]

Why do liberals get so angry at people
who don't believe that crap they like to spew
Do you support the Fairness doctrine ? Should the American people only be spoon feed what the liberals want us to know


Dear Liberals pay my mortage please
I don't want to work anymore !! I just want to dress up in womens clothes and prance around and educate our youth about how it is perfectly acceptable to be different

It puts the lotion on the skin

[cybertentbob]

WTF are you spewing on about?

[Shake Yer Bones]

.... what is the purpose of government? Seems to me people governments role is to HELP it's people be fed,clothed and educated and prosperous ....

I definitely have to disagree with this. That may be the purpose of a socialist government, but not the government as it was established in this country.

The purpose of our government was to identify our unalienable rights so that we may chase "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The problem today is that there's too much government in our way of this pursuit.

[cybertentbob]

The constitution was written in a time when things were simpler(like conservative thinkers...lol) The founding fathers left open the ability to amend the constitution for a reason.
"life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." OK but how they are defined depends on who you ask...
a country of dumb,poor unhealthy,uneducated people doesnt seem to bode well for our countries future does it?
So the question becomes one of do we do what we need to do or do
we listen to the conservative genius' who brought us to this juncture.folks like Mr. mule 64 have nothing but FAILED ideas...like that of his heroine Ann Coulter (who is even nuttier than Sarah Palin) BTW socialism:
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1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
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also your wonderful corperate pirates,who with their wonderful
deregulation buddies in the Bush white house who raped and pillaged YOUR money have the BALLS to ask for bail outs-that take your KIDS money---my point being that conservatives who lied about being against big government ..created a situation where we now HAVE to have a TRILLION dollar deficeit PLUS the bailouts to the Financial sector which Bush and the repubs. REFUSED to regulate. FORCING the Obama administration (GOV)to clean up this crap.

[Shake Yer Bones]

You are correct in that the definition of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happines" is an open one and depends on who you ask.

My point is that it's not the government's responsibility to force the issue. It's the government's responsibility to make sure we all have the freedom to pursue our dreams, whatever they may be.

And with all due respect, if you really think it's only Republicans and Conservatives who created this economic mess we're in, you're being quite naive. Both sides of the aisle have contributed mightily. And it's going to take contributions from both sides to clean it up. This is not a Republican problem, nor is it a Democratic problem. It's an American problem.

[Ginger Snap]

OK. This is one that I am dealing with in a very real way on a daily level. As a few of you already know, I work with mentally ill adults that have at one point been homeless. Sometimes for many, many years, sometimes for a short time. My program is designed to be a transitional housing program in which I and the other staff offer support to individuals, so that they may at some point move into more indepedent housing. I teach skills and offer support in many ways, depending on the individual. What I know is that on the whole, the people that come to live here are incapable, due to their mental illness, to live and function on thier own. I've had clients I needed to help learn to take showers. I've had clients I need to teach to cook for themselves. To medicate themselves. To learn how to use the bus. To open checking accounts and manage money. To form relationships with anyone. Often, these folks have chronic medical issues.

So I know through my experience that the joke above just isn't freaking funny. It's not as simple as telling a homeless man to go get a job. I've said this before, but a man on the street that is actively hearing voices is incapable of holding down any kind of job that would lead to suitable housing.

However, I do have several clients that I have worked with over the past few years that have come to a point that they are capable of aquiring a job. And I have to admit I have come to a point that I am thoroughly frustrated that I can not motivate them, or that they do not seem to have a strong enough desire, to begin employment. They are going to continue to be housed and fed, and they will continue to recieve their social security checks to live on, but there does not seem to be any consequence whatever if they do not, at some point, get a job. And I got to tell ya, there are some days it really pisses me off, because I know these few are capable, and they choose not to. Mind you, so far this is a few, and certainly not the majority of the people I serve.

It is not so simple one side or the other. In my work I do hope to find a way to reconcile the very real needs of individuals to get services and have certain needs taken care of when they can't themselves becausee we live in a civilized society, and the need for self determination and action on the part of individuals.

[mule64]

I think what you are describing is one of the pitfalls of "welfare systems" and sharing the wealth. Many people have the belief that once a person get used to having things given to them, they lose motivation to obtain those things on their own.
The folks you are describing are a whole different story than the average person on govt assistance. It has to be real rough on them to ascimilate back to normal life when they think/know they could relapse at any time. It must be frustrating for you and at times for them.

[Drop_o_Rain]

I am a liberal... and don't agree with bob much of the time, if that helps the more conservative people on the board like democrats a bit more... ;)

[Ginger Snap]

I think what you are describing is one of the pitfalls of "welfare systems" and sharing the wealth. Many people have the belief that once a person get used to having things given to them, they lose motivation to obtain those things on their own.
The folks you are describing are a whole different story than the average person on govt assistance. It has to be real rough on them to ascimilate back to normal life when they think/know they could relapse at any time. It must be frustrating for you and at times for them.


I just don't believe there is "an average person" on government aid. There are various forms of aid, and various reasons folks get there.

Hey...where the heck is Blendix?

[cybertentbob]

I am a liberal... and don't agree with bob much of the time, if that helps the more conservative people on the board like democrats a bit more... ;)

:heart: nobody said ya had too!

[Blendix 007]

The constitution was written in a time when things were simpler(like conservative thinkers...lol) The founding fathers left open the ability to amend the constitution for a reason.
"life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." OK but how they are defined depends on who you ask...
a country of dumb,poor unhealthy,uneducated people doesnt seem to bode well for our countries future does it?
So the question becomes one of do we do what we need to do or do
we listen to the conservative genius' who brought us to this juncture.folks like Mr. mule 64 have nothing but FAILED ideas...like that of his heroine Ann Coulter (who is even nuttier than Sarah Palin)

It's funny that most of this country's successes came at a time when there was much less gov't than there is now. A time when the middle class was larger and more prosperous. Some things that limited gov't allowed for:

Advent of the automobile
Advent of the airplane
Electricity (incandescent light bulb)
Advent of the telephone

Is is just a coincidence that these innovative ideas were produced before the New Deal (introduction of socialist policies) and the Fed (coordinated central banking)?

Economics aside, we seem to forget a ballooning gov't will inevitably strip us of our freedoms. More gov't = more encroachment in your daily life (think gestapo).

[staggerlee024]

this country has seen the greatest economic prosperity for the middle class when tax rates on the highest income levels have been highest.

the period after wwii saw very high tax rates on america's wealthiest individuals. we had strong labor laws and high unionization rates. we had steady growth. there were no bubbles and bursts. and we had the strongest and most vibrant middle class in the history of this country.

[seany]

...
Dear Hussein Obama
...

Right there, you lost ANY credibility with anything intelligent you might have to say...

[china cat]

I,too, am outraged by some of the abuses of social programs but what bothers me more is the Republican first line of attack against poor, homeless, addicts, and mentally ill (and throw in a few "irresponsible" single moms)? You have no credibility until your first line of attack begins with corporate handouts/welfare. Are we really more outraged about a homeless man receiving, maybe, $400 bucks a month or some food stamps than we are about how Halliburton and other war profiteers steal from the U.S. taxpayer??

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan05/Pringle0124.htm

or...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cJlJudDtVE

we ought to count our blessings that we're not homeless, addicts, or mentally ill and direct our outrage where it has more credibility. :rose:

[Me and Richard Pryor]

Of course its not the governments fault that there are "less fortunate" people in this country...

But what are we as Americans doing about it...? Little...besides the few that volunteer at shelters and community centers...what are WE doing as a whole...?

We leave this problem up to the government to deal with it...then complain that they spend a few cents of our taxes to try to create programs...some unsuccessfully, to deal with it...

If this is truly America...Land of the free...then it is All of our responsibilities to make sure these issues are seen too.

Its amazing...regardless of party affiliation, that we dont take it more personally that this country is failing...

We should ALL be ashamed of this.

[Me and Richard Pryor]

Its interesting how capitalism affects our nationalism...

One for all and fuck the rest.

[PeaceFrog]

Why do liberals get so angry at people
who don't believe that crap they like to spew
Do you support the Fairness doctrine ? Should the American people only be spoon feed what the liberals want us to know


Dear Liberals pay my mortage please
I don't want to work anymore !! I just want to dress up in womens clothes and prance around and educate our youth about how it is perfectly acceptable to be different

It puts the lotion on the skin

http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/giuliani_drag.jpg

You mean like this guy?

[PeaceFrog]

It's funny that most of this country's successes came at a time when there was much less gov't than there is now. A time when the middle class was larger and more prosperous. Some things that limited gov't allowed for:

Advent of the automobile
Advent of the airplane
Electricity (incandescent light bulb)
Advent of the telephone

Is is just a coincidence that these innovative ideas were produced before the New Deal (introduction of socialist policies) and the Fed (coordinated central banking)?

Economics aside, we seem to forget a ballooning gov't will inevitably strip us of our freedoms. More gov't = more encroachment in your daily life (think gestapo).

Well now we have computers, cellphones, microwave ovens, space travel, and the internets all thanks to Al Gore. Coincidence? You be the judge.

Your pseudo-intellectualism is hysterical.

[PeaceFrog]

Leave it to the children to see reality through it all !

I was talking to a friend of mine's little girl, and she said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, 'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'


She replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'


'Wow - what a worthy goal,' I told her. 'You don't have to wait until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food or a new house.'


She thought that over for a few seconds 'cause she's only 6. And while her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?'


And I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'



Her folks still aren't talking to me.:joker:

If the little girl was truly a Republican, she would take the $50, and then pay an illegal immigrant 50 cents to do the work.

[staggerlee024]

If she was truly a Republican she would take the $50 and donate it to an anti-gay marriage or anti-abortion organization.

[Blendix 007]

Of course its not the governments fault that there are "less fortunate" people in this country...

But what are we as Americans doing about it...? Little...besides the few that volunteer at shelters and community centers...what are WE doing as a whole...?

We leave this problem up to the government to deal with it...then complain that they spend a few cents of our taxes to try to create programs...some unsuccessfully, to deal with it...

If this is truly America...Land of the free...then it is All of our responsibilities to make sure these issues are seen too.

Its amazing...regardless of party affiliation, that we dont take it more personally that this country is failing...

We should ALL be ashamed of this.

I personally volunteer my time at a store called 'Second Beginnings' which is a local thrift shop for single moms. I also contribute cash to charity called 'Good Beginnings,' which provides items of necessity to single moms. All the profit from the thrift shop also goes to this charity.

Generally, republicans are much more charitable than democrats. There are statistics that back this. Look at Biden and Obama's charitable contributions. Very minimal given their high level of income.

I agree with your sentiment about taking care of these people, however I don't agree that it's the federal gov't's responsibility.

I don't demonize the poor and less fortunate (After I'm done paying my taxes[income, gas, electricity, communications, sales, vehicle, tolls, fishing/hunting, property], I fall into this category). I demonize the gov't programs that don't work and increase the number of people in these situations and the people that vote for and believe in these programs' merit.

[china cat]

If the little girl was truly a Republican, she would take the $50, and then pay an illegal immigrant 50 cents to do the work.

:funny1: