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cybertentbob
01-05-2009, 10:06 AM
To boost recruits, US Army relaxes weight rules


By Gordon Lubold Gordon Lubold – Mon Jan 5, 3:00

Washington – The waistlines of America's youth are expanding, shrinking the pool of those eligible to join the US military. But an Army program is giving overweight enlistees a second chance – and helping the military with its own expansion.

The recently-introduced waiver program allows enlistees who don't qualify for the military because of their weight a chance to shape up after joining. So far, the program has helped the Army make its recruiting goals in what remains a tight recruiting market.

If the economic recession worsens, it could help the military's recruiting efforts as people seek stable employment. That could reduce the need for waiver programs. However, nutritionists don't see the trend of overweight Americans disappearing any time soon, ensuring the continuance of such programs in recruiting an all-volunteer force.

"We support any service who comes up with a scientifically defensible way of expanding the market [of recruits]," says Curtis Gilroy, director of accessions policy for the Pentagon.

Such waivers had been studied for years but the program wasn't implemented until fiscal 2007, when it admitted about 1,500 individuals through the program (just a small slice of about 80,000 recruits). Recruits must pass a special battery of tests, including a "step test," and do a number of push-ups to demonstrate their physical abilities. If they pass and are enlisted, they have a year to comply with the Army's physical requirements, measured by "body mass index," a formula that estimates body fat based on weight and height.

Recruiting struggle
The Army's weight waiver program rests largely on a distinction between individuals who are overweight or obese and those who are physically fit but whose "body mass index," or BMI, doesn't meet Army standards.

"The point is to get the football-player kinda kids. It's not to get the couch-potato kids," says Beth Asch, a senior economist at the Rand Corporation who studies military recruiting.

The Army program is a "sensible move," says Ms. Asch, but to remain effective it must have oversight.

"There can be a temptation, not necessarily at the commanding level but at the ground level with the recruiter, who would want to slip in a kid who is overweight and has no business being in the Army," she says. "There needs to be monitoring."

So far, the percentage of those in the program who don't get into shape – and are then discharged from the Army – is low among both men and women. It roughly mirrors the attrition rates of those who don't take the special test, according to data provided by Douglas Smith of Army Recruiting Command.

The Army has struggled the most with recruiting. Although it has met its active-duty goals in recent years, it has had to issue other waivers and let in more high school dropouts in order to do so.

At the same time, the military is expanding through next year. The Marine Corps, which is not using the weight waiver, is growing to 202,000 and the Army will reach its "end-strength" goal of 547,000 this year.

Many experts would like to see the military grow even larger to meet demands.

The obesity challenge
Excess weight is the chief reason many individuals can't enlist.

It's no secret that today's youths gobble up french fries and suck down Big Gulps. At the same time, fewer are getting exercise. The percentage of young adults considered obese – with a BMI greater than 30 – has grown sharply in recently years.

Ten years ago, there were a handful of states across the country where about 25 percent of the population ages 18 to 34 were considered obese. Today, there are 26 such states.

"We know that is even going to increase because the [Centers for Disease Control] says the numbers are going to go up," says the Pentagon's Mr. Gilroy.

It's a big change from 50 years ago, when there was widespread fear that soldiers were "undernourished," says Linda Van Horn, professor of preventive medicine at Northwestern University's Feinberg School of Medicine.

Today, Americans live in an age of super-sized proportions. According to the National Institutes of Health, the average-sized bagel 20 years ago was three inches across and had 140 calories. Today's bagels average twice the size and have about 350 calories.

And more Americans are eating fast food, which is cheap, plentiful – and generally unhealthy. "There is no question that America is eating out," says Ms. Van Horn.

DifferentDrummer
01-06-2009, 05:54 AM
they've also lowered a lot of other standards too.

they're even letting gang members in now.

Elphaba
01-06-2009, 07:19 AM
they should let gang members in the military. they should let non-violent ex felons in the military, they should let high school drop outs in the military, they should offer military programs for welfare to workforce - and offer training and education programs appropriately to give these citizens a sense of pride and belonging.

Shake Yer Bones
02-04-2009, 03:41 AM
Is this really anything new? The "dregs" of society have always been on the front lines.

Elphaba
02-04-2009, 07:02 AM
Is this really anything new? The "dregs" of society have always been on the front lines.

so many things come to mind here.

john mccain served on the front, he's not the dregs.

so overweight people are dregs of society?

you don't think a military career is a decent alternative to a civilian career?

not all military careers involve serving on the front lines.

you think it is ok that non-violent drug offenders or other non-violent infractions should be prevented from persuing the career of their choice?

i think a lot of people who have either served in the military or lost someone who did are going to take exception to your dregs statement.

for example, these three soldiers were killed in action in iraq - they were out of fort drumm, all from western new york. there are thousands of others in this war alone. i spent a week at fort drumm 23 years ago. recently i fixed a computer for a retired army officer, i refused to accept any payment from her - it just didn't seem right. she served two tours in saudi arabia during desert storm.

Governor David A. Paterson has directed that flags on State government buildings across New York be flown at half-staff on Tuesday, February 3, 2009, in honor of four Fort Drum soldiers who died while conducting combat operations on Monday, January 26, 2009, in the vicinity of Kirkuk, Iraq.
Chief Warrant Officer 2 Matthew G. Kelley, a native of Cameron, Missouri and resident of Carthage, New York.

Chief Warrant Officer 3 Philip E. Windorski, a native of Bovey, Minnesota and resident of Watertown, New York.

Chief Warrant Officer 2 Benjamin H. Todd, a native and resident of Colville, Washington.

Chief Warrant Officer 2 Joshua M. Tillery, a native of Beaverton, Oregon and resident of Fort Drum.

All four soldiers were members of the 6th Squadron, 6th Cavalry Regiment of the 10th Combat Aviation Brigade, which is based at Wheeler-Sack Army Airfield at Fort Drum, New York, and is part of the 10th Mountain Division.

“On behalf of the citizens of New York, I wish to extend our sympathy to the friends, family and comrades-in-arms of these four 10th Mountain Division soldiers,” said Governor Paterson. “We will never forget the sacrifice that these soldiers and their families made on behalf of the United States of America.”

Governor Paterson has directed the flags on all State buildings to be lowered to half-staff in honor and tribute to our State’s service members who are killed in action.

Shake Yer Bones
02-04-2009, 01:49 PM
"Dregs" in this instance refers to those of lower socio-economic status. Foot soldiers in armies throughout history are commonly from this level of society, so I didn't write what I wrote to be an insult. My point is that it's been a common practice for armies throughout history and it's nothing new for armies to build their numbers by lowering standards.

I have the utmost respect for just about everyone who served this country in the armed forces, regardless of rank.